Subject: Repeats of messages on blackberry

From: Rob Campbell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:03:15 -0500 (EST)

I have my blackberry set up to retrieve emails from my server.  Everything 
works fine until I use pine to get my emails.  After closing out of pine 
all of the emails in my inbox are sent to my blackberry again, or should I 
say pulled to my blackberry.  I am not sure if this is a problem with 
dovecot or with pine.  I suspect pine because it only happens when I view 
mail via pine, not when I view it via outlook (IMAP).  It only happens 
once I close out of my pine session though.  If I leave pine open nothing 
happens.
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:25:25 -0800 (PST)

*** Rob Campbell ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) I have my blackberry set up to retrieve emails from my server.  
:) Everything works fine until I use pine to get my emails.  After closing 
:) out of pine all of the emails in my inbox are sent to my blackberry 
:) again, or should I say pulled to my blackberry.

Are you sure that Pine *PULLS* your messages at all? Pine does not pull 
messages and read them locally, Pine always downloads each message as it 
is read but does not remove the message that it just read from the server. 
In another words, the default is that messages remain in the server unless 
they are deleted by you. If you close the connection to the server, you 
can not read your messages anymore.

If what you are looking for is that your messages be pulled, one can do 
that. You need to set a "maildrop". I have information on how to set a 
maildrop in my web page at

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/pine-info/maildrop/

I hope this helps you.

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From: Rob Campbell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:39:35 -0500

No, pine doesn't pull the messages, my blackberry reads the messages and
leaves them on the server as does pine.  Its just that once I use pine
to view the messages and close out of pine my blackberry reads them
again as if they are new messages.  It only does this if I read my mail
via pine.  If I read them via anything else, outlook 'imap', yahoo
'pop3' blackberry 'pop3' nothing happens.  Its just once I go into pine
the blackberry I guess sees those messages as new and downloads a copy
again.  So it seems that pine is somehow resetting all messages to new
so when the blackberry checks in for new mail it is sent/pulled again
via the blackberry.  It wasn't always like this.  It started when I
switched from FC1 to FC3.  I'm not sure if it is a pine setting
(although I'm pretty sure it has to be) or something in dovecot that is
doing it.  I will rename .pinerc and see if that changes anything but
any other suggestions would be helpful... other than go back to FC1.
hahahaha.

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:32:32 -0800 (PST)

:) No, pine doesn't pull the messages, my blackberry reads the messages and
:) leaves them on the server as does pine.  Its just that once I use pine
:) to view the messages and close out of pine my blackberry reads them
:) again as if they are new messages.  It only does this if I read my mail
:) via pine.  If I read them via anything else, outlook 'imap', yahoo
:) 'pop3' blackberry 'pop3' nothing happens. 

So this is POP3. The problem is that Pine implements only what the 
protocol accepts, it does not go further than that. In this case in POP3 
there is no such thing as a "Read" message status that is preserved 
between sessions. There is only "Recent" and "Deleted". If you delete a 
message, the message will not be in the folder the next time you read it, 
but if you read it and do not remove it, the message will be there, 
because it was never really downloaded/removed.

Does this explain what is going on in your side?

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From: Rob Campbell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:48:36 -0500 (EST)

It says jut INBOX.  I don't have it set up for pop or imap I guess.  It is 
on the same box as the server.  /var/spool/mail/poohba is my inbox.  I 
don't know if that makes the difference.  Maybe I should set it up to be 
imap

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:50:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
> To: Rob Campbell <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: Repeats of messages on blackberry
> 
> *** Rob Campbell ([email-masked]) wrote today:
>
> :) Yes, kind of.  The only thing is that this is all new since the change
> :) to FC3.  Pine didn't do this before.  How do i make it pop or imap?
> :) Where is that setting?
>
> When you define the server you make it explicitly pop3, if not it is imap.
> For example, say that the name of the server is "mail.server.com", then
> the POP3 setting is:
>
> mail.server.com/pop3
>
> if it is IMAP, you just simply write
>
> mail.server.com
>
> If you have the latter, then it is imap, if "/pop3" appears explicitly
> then it is pop3.
>
> Now, one question, which I still do not understand from your posts. Do you
> want that read messages be downloaded to your computer or do you want
> all messages downloaded? There are ways to do all these things, I just
> want to understand which one you want.
>
>