Subject: sort by flagged?

From: Vince LaMonica <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 04:39:39 -0500 (EST)

Hi all,

This is probably a very dumb question, but I can't seem to figure this one 
out. How do I sort by flagged? Eg: I've flagged several messages as 
'important' [*], and now I want to sort by that, so I can see all the 
important messages in one group. Using 4.61 under Mac OS X and Linux now; 
will be upgrading to 4.62 this weekend, but I didn't notice this feature 
in the ChangeLog.

TIA,

/vjl/
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From: NM Public <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:05:59 +0000 (GMT)

On 24 Feb 2005 Vince LaMonica ([email-masked]) wrote:
> will be upgrading to 4.62 this weekend, but I didn't notice this feature in 
> the ChangeLog.

I don't think there is a way to sort by flag but that is on my
Pine wish list in this section:

  <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishKeywords>

This would be especially useful with user-defined flags
(keywords)!

For now, you can use aggregate commands to zoom in on flagged
messages, e.g., by typing:

  ; S * Z

Make sure enable-aggregate-command-set is set. You might also
want to set auto-zoom-after-select.

Upgrading to 4.62 is a good plan, especially if you like flagging
messages. With 4.62 it's much easier to use keywords and flags.
And you can even use "saved searches," i.e., aggregate selecting
based on a rule:

  ; R rulename

Hope this helps,
Nancy

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From: Ari Moisio <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:10:15 +0200 (EET)

Hi!

   You  can give important messages positive score and sort them by score.

   Another way is use  select (;), select by status Important and zoom. 
For some reason key for Imporrtant is *, no I as could be expected.

HTH
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From: Vince LaMonica <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 05:26:08 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, NM Public wrote:

} I don't think there is a way to sort by flag but that is on my
} Pine wish list in this section:
} 
}  <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/#wishKeywords>

Thanks Nancy. I had checked your site out first [along with a search on 
the pine-info list]. I found the phrase "sort by flagged", ironically, in 
the list of problems with Thunderbird. :) 

} This would be especially useful with user-defined flags
} (keywords)!

Yes, that would be quite cool!

} For now, you can use aggregate commands to zoom in on flagged
} messages, e.g., by typing:
} 
}  ; S * Z

This is so, so sad to admit, but I've been using Pine for over 10 years 
[and far from using its basic/default settings], but until now, I had 
never tried to the zoom feature. I *really* like that. Wow. 

} Make sure enable-aggregate-command-set is set. You might also
} want to set auto-zoom-after-select.

I had/have enable-aggregate-command-set set, but I had never used that 
zoom feature. I'm going to be reading more about zoom now - this yet 
another unique and cool feature of Pine that I can't believe I haven't 
used before now. 

} Upgrading to 4.62 is a good plan, especially if you like flagging
} messages. With 4.62 it's much easier to use keywords and flags.
} And you can even use "saved searches," i.e., aggregate selecting
} based on a rule:

Thanks very much for the tips. I'm not usually one to flag messages, but 
my Linux server, which has all my procmail recipes, has been down for a 
while, and my backup server [my Mac OS X laptop] does not have any 
procmail recipes, so all my list mail, along with personal mail, is being 
stuffed into my inbox. After several weeks of this, the number of messages 
in my inbox [90,307 at this moment] is getting hard to take, so I've 
started using the flag feature so that I can easily spot messages I want 
to respond/look at more carefully, etc.

I'm not saving any messages into other mailboxes, since when my linux box 
is back in action, I plan on just piping my OS X inbox through 
formail/procmail. 

Flagging, combined with zooming, is a very efficient way to "sort by 
flagged" - thank you *very* much for suggesting it. I owe you one.

/vjl/

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From: NM Public <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:32:23 +0000 (GMT)

>  You  can give important messages positive score and sort them by score.

If you do use scoring, be aware that Pine scores do not persist
and are recalculated each time you open a mailbox. This can be
slow on a large mailbox (for example on the gmail-help-discussion
list, which has gotten more than 20,000 messages in one month!).

>  Another way is use  select (;), select by status Important and zoom. For 
> some reason key for Imporrtant is *, no I as could be expected.

I think that the key shortcut for 'Important' is '*' because

1] you flag a message 'Important' by typing '**'
2] the symbol on the Pine MESSAGE INDEX for 'Important' is '*'

A better question is "why is the '*' flag called 'Important'?" I
use '*' to simply mean 'there's something about this message' --
sometimes it means

  I should reply to this
  I need to read this carefully
  I need to greenlist this From address
  I need to bluelist this To address
  I need to put this on my web site
  Watch this thread
  This is a valuable reference item
  etc.

Fortunately now with keywords, I can use a different flag for
each of these meanings of '*'.

Nancy how-did-I-live-without-keywords McGough

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From: NM Public <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:40:31 +0000 (GMT)

> never tried to the zoom feature. I *really* like that. Wow.

I agree that this is one of the WOWs of Pine and I am sure that
you are not alone in being a long-time Pine user who doesn't know
about some of Pine's cool and amazing features. I think that one
of the reasons I spend a lot of time getting the word out about
Pine's secret or hard-to-find features is because it's so fun to
discover these little tricks myself. I'm hoping to create an army
of power Pine users who will teach me (and everyone) more Pine
tricks!

Nancy

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