Subject: Cant remember: stopping sent-mail from being pruned.

From: "S.A. Birl" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:31:58 -0500 (EST)

Maybe it's because it's Monday .... but I just cant remember how to stop
sent-mail from being rotated.

root's pine is rotating the sent-mail file every month.
My personal account doesnt do it.

I poured through both rc files, and parts of Nancy's website.

What is it again?

Thanks
Birl

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From: Michael Hoffman <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:36:16 +0000 (GMT)

> sent-mail from being rotated.

Remove it from the pruned-folders setting.
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From: "S.A. Birl" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:05:07 -0500 (EST)

On Dec 6, Michael Hoffman ([email-masked]) typed:

Michael:  On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, S.A. Birl wrote:
Michael:
Michael:  > Maybe it's because it's Monday .... but I just cant remember how to
Michael:  > stop
Michael:  > sent-mail from being rotated.
Michael:
Michael:  Remove it from the pruned-folders setting.

It was already empty.

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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:50:25 +0100 (CET)

Go to configureation:

pruning-rule                   =
             Set    Rule Values
             ---  ----------------------
             ( )  ask about rename, ask about deleting
             ( )  ask about rename, don't delete
             ( )  always rename, ask about deleting
             ( )  always rename, don't delete
             ( )  don't rename, ask about deleting
             (*)  don't rename, don't delete

Mats

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From: "S.A. Birl" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:48:21 -0500 (EST)

On Dec 6, Mats Dufberg ([email-masked]) typed:

mats:  pruning-rule                   =
mats:              Set    Rule Values
mats:              ---  ----------------------
mats:              ( )  ask about rename, ask about deleting
mats:              ( )  ask about rename, don't delete
mats:              ( )  always rename, ask about deleting
mats:              ( )  always rename, don't delete
mats:              ( )  don't rename, ask about deleting
mats:              (*)  don't rename, don't delete

Right.  But doesnt that also affect other pruning folders as well?

Thanks
Birl

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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:32:08 +0100 (CET)

> Right.  But doesnt that also affect other pruning folders as well?

Yes, it does. If you don't want "sent-mail" to be pruned, but other 
folders to be pruned, you can test to move "sent-mail" away from default 
collection, if possible.

Mats

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From: "S.A. Birl" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:45:37 -0500 (EST)

mats:  > mats:  pruning-rule                   =
mats:  > mats:              Set    Rule Values
mats:  > mats:              ---  ----------------------
mats:  > mats:              ( )  ask about rename, ask about deleting
mats:  > mats:              ( )  ask about rename, don't delete
mats:  > mats:              ( )  always rename, ask about deleting
mats:  > mats:              ( )  always rename, don't delete
mats:  > mats:              ( )  don't rename, ask about deleting
mats:  > mats:              (*)  don't rename, don't delete
mats:  >
mats:  >
mats:  >
mats:  > Right.  But doesnt that also affect other pruning folders as well?
mats:
mats:  Yes, it does. If you don't want "sent-mail" to be pruned, but other
mats:  folders to be pruned, you can test to move "sent-mail" away from default
mats:  collection, if possible.

Ok.  Here's the thing then:

My personal account (where this email is coming from) has 4 folders in the
pruned-folders list and sent-mail is not one of them.  The rule is "always
rename, don't delete".  So sent-mail is never pruned, as expected.

But for root, the pruned-folders list is empty.  So why would Pine prune
sent-mail when I never told it to?

Did something change in a previous version that states
"if pruned-folders is empty, prune sent-mail"?

I dont recall the pruning of sent-mail happening like this before.

Thanks
Birl

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From: Michael Hoffman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:51:40 +0000 (GMT)

> sent-mail when I never told it to?

Is it really empty, displaying as <Empty Value>? Or is it only set to
the default <No Value Set>. I believe the latter will cause pruning of
sent-mail.

Just change it to nothing. (Change, then press enter.)
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Michael Hoffman <[email-masked]>
European Bioinformatics Institute

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From: NM Public <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:16:51 +0000

> I dont recall the pruning of sent-mail happening like this before.

AFAIK the default-fcc has always been subjected to pruning *as 
long as it is specified as a relative path*. I discuss this in my 
Power Pine page in this section:

  <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#mvPrune>

As Mats suggested, you can change this by specifying your 
default-fcc using a full path or full IMAP secification, i.e., 
not using a relative path. My guess is that the reason that your 
personal account and root account seem to be behaving differently 
is because one is using a relative path for the fcc-folder and 
the other is using an absolute path.

Just a guess, let us know what you figure out,
NM

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From: "billdouglas" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:48:31 -0500

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From: "S.A. Birl" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:58:55 -0500 (EST)

On Dec 7, NM Public ([email-masked]) typed:

NM:  On 7 Dec 2004 S.A. Birl ([email-masked]) wrote:
NM:  > My personal account (where this email is coming from) has 4 folders in
NM:  > the
NM:  > pruned-folders list and sent-mail is not one of them.  The rule is
NM:  > "always
NM:  > rename, don't delete".  So sent-mail is never pruned, as expected.
NM:  >
NM:  > But for root, the pruned-folders list is empty.  So why would Pine prune
NM:  > sent-mail when I never told it to?
NM:  >
NM:  > Did something change in a previous version that states
NM:  > "if pruned-folders is empty, prune sent-mail"?
NM:  >
NM:  > I dont recall the pruning of sent-mail happening like this before.
NM:
NM:  AFAIK the default-fcc has always been subjected to pruning *as long as it
NM:  is specified as a relative path*. I discuss this in my Power Pine page in
NM:  this section:
NM:
NM:   <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#mvPrune>
NM:
NM:  As Mats suggested, you can change this by specifying your default-fcc using
NM:  a full path or full IMAP secification, i.e., not using a relative path. My
NM:  guess is that the reason that your personal account and root account seem
NM:  to be behaving differently is because one is using a relative path for the
NM:  fcc-folder and the other is using an absolute path.
NM:
NM:  Just a guess, let us know what you figure out,
NM:  NM

You may be correct.  Though until Jan rolls around I guess I wont know for
certain.

The default-fcc in my personal account is /var/mail/sbirl (aka INBOX)
Root's default is  <No Value Set: using "sent-mail">