Subject: Cannot save messages to folder

From: Kassim Kasmani <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT)

When I try to save messages from one folder to another folder, Pine tells
me that the messages have been saved and it also marks the immediate
messages for delete.  But when I go to the folder I tried saving to, there
is nothing there.

Kassim
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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:24:44 +0200 (CEST)

> messages for delete.  But when I go to the folder I tried saving to, there

Do you have folders under different folder collections? Do you use IMAP? 
Have you checked that you don't have two folders with the same name under 
different folder colections?

Mats

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From: Kassim Kasmani <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:43:08 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> Do you have folders under different folder collections? Do you use IMAP? Have
> you checked that you don't have two folders with the same name under different
> folder colections?
>
>
>
> Mats
>

I dont use IMAP.  There are no two folders with the same name.  I don't
know what you mean by 'folders under different collections.

Kassim

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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:21:08 +0200 (CEST)

> know what you mean by 'folders under different collections.

If you do not use IMAP, then folders are local files with the same name as 
the folder (maybe it is different under windows). You can search for files 
with that name. Under Windows you can search if you go to the start 
button. Search for "folder*" if the folder is "folder".

Under unix do the following steps (let's assume the name of the folder is 
"folder") in a command line window:

# Go to your home directory
$ cd

# Case matters, so if the name is "Folder" you have to search for "Folder"
$ find . -name folder

Do you find two folders with the same name?

Mats

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From: Kassim Kasmani <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:43:03 -0400 (EDT)

I am on Linux.  The folder I am trying to save is called 'printed'.  I
searched and didn't find any dublicates. The funny thing is, it tells me
that "[21 messages saved and deleted]".  Could it be a permissions issue?
I have rw on 'printed'.

Kassim

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> If you do not use IMAP, then folders are local files with the same name as the
> folder (maybe it is different under windows). You can search for files with
> that name. Under Windows you can search if you go to the start button. Search
> for "folder*" if the folder is "folder".
>

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From: Kassim Kasmani <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:34:14 -0400 (EDT)

Could it be something about this setting in the .pinerc file:

# List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is
# the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[]
# Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[]
folder-collections=

??

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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:55:45 +0200 (CEST)

> that "[21 messages saved and deleted]".  Could it be a permissions issue?

I don't think so...

Try this:

1. Send a short message to yourself.

2. Save that message to a new folder that you do not create before you 
save it.

3. Select the message and press "S". You will be prompted for name of 
folder.

4. Write "test-message-folder", and press ENTER.

5. Press "Y" when prompted with "...doesn't exist. Create?"

6. Now, go to the command line and find the file "test-message-folder". Do 
you find it in the same directory as "printed"?

Mats

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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:57:30 +0200 (CEST)

> # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[]

You can save messages to any folder, inlcuding the INBOX. No setting is 
needed. I save messages all the time, with no problem.

Mats

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From: Kassim Kasmani <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:23:57 -0400 (EDT)

I did what you suggested and yes, the file is created in the same folder
(/home/kassim/mail) as the file called 'printed'.

And no, it did not save the message to the new folder.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> 2. Save that message to a new folder that you do not create before you save
> it.
>
> 3. Select the message and press "S". You will be prompted for name of folder.
>
> 6. Now, go to the command line and find the file "test-message-folder". Do you
> find it in the same directory as "printed"?
>
>
>
> Mats
>

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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:49:36 +0200 (CEST)

> And no, it did not save the message to the new folder.

So what you say is that the folder is created when you request pine to 
save the message, but the message is not saved? Then something must be 
broken.

Do you have any space left on device? Is the device local divece or device 
over network (such as NFS mounted)? Is the INBOX in the same partition? 
When you send mail, are they saved?

I suggest that you start pine with "-d 9" and redo the steps of creating 
and saving mail, and then quit pine and study the .pine-debug file.

Do you have confidence in the pine built that you use? Did you build it 
yourself? Was it build for the platform it is running on? Was it build ON 
the plattform it is running on?

Have you seen any other strange behavior?

Mats

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From: Kassim Kasmani <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:11:06 -0400 (EDT)

I noticed another weird behaviour.  When I try to save messages from my
INBOX folder to any other folder, it will save the message.  When I try
from folders that I have created, it will not save the message.

I installed pine using the RPM install file.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> So what you say is that the folder is created when you request pine to save
> the message, but the message is not saved? Then something must be broken.
>
> over network (such as NFS mounted)? Is the INBOX in the same partition? When
> you send mail, are they saved?
>
> I suggest that you start pine with "-d 9" and redo the steps of creating and
> saving mail, and then quit pine and study the .pine-debug file.
>
> yourself? Was it build for the platform it is running on? Was it build ON the
> plattform it is running on?
>

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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:00:11 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Mats Dufberg wrote:
> You can save messages to any folder, inlcuding the INBOX. No setting is needed.
> I save messages all the time, with no problem.

I've mentioned this before.. on my personal account, I can't save messages back
into the INBOX (such as if a filter did something I didn't expect).  I guess in
this specific case, I'm seeing what the originator is.

(and before you ask, my filters are for new messages only, and aren't
re-triggering upon my saving back into the INBOX.. at least not as far as
I can tell.. no duplicate messagse, the save just fails with no error
or anything.)