Subject: Feature requests

From: Bret Busby <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:52:40 +0800 (WST)

Hello.

I have requests for two features.

I am using PINE 4.44 on Red Hat Linux 7.3.

I have read the changelogs up to PINE 4.60, and did not see these 
features added.

The first feature request, is for the archived folder name format to be 
changed from foldername-mon-yyyy to foldername-yyyy-mm.

A reason for this, is that, when archiving the message folders, in the 
listing of the folder names, PINE-apr-2004 precedes PINE-dec-2003 
precedes PINE-feb-2004 precedes PINE-mar-2002precedes PINE-jun-2001, as 
an example.

Thus, in the folder index listing, the order of those folders, would be
PINE-apr-2004
PINE-dec-2003
PINE-feb-2004
PINE-mar-2002
PINE-jun-2001

The folder index listing, for what I request, for those examples, would 
give
PINE-2001-06
PINE-2002-03
PINE-2003-12
PINE-2004-02
PINE-2004-04
which is much more useful, when looking for archived folders and for 
messages within archived folders.

Also, I understand that the date format yyyy-mm-dd is the ISO format.

The second feature request, is for a feature that, in the absence of 
which, requires using another email application, when needing the 
feature. The feature is return receipt requests. I have previously tried 
using what exists in PINE, but have never got it to work. Some people 
dislike the feature, but it is useful, for confirmation that the 
adressee(s) has/have received a particular, important email. I am aware 
that some people disallow receipts to be sent for emails that they 
receive, but, I believe that most people do allow receipts to be sent 
for when they receive/read email messages.

To be able to configure the feature like, I believe, Netscape allows, 
where the return receipt can be requested either for when the message is 
delivered, or, when it is read, or both, would be good. It could be 
incorporated as part of the display of the header, when composing, or, 
as part of the confirmation prompt for sending a message, but I believe 
that the former option would be preferable.

I believe, from memory, that Netcape and Mozilla incorporate the 
configuration of the return receipt requesting (whether it is for 
delivery only, for when the message is read only, or for both, using 
check boxes for each option) in the configuration of the email facility, 
when setting Preferences and then, when composing each message, the 
option to request return receipts for each particular message, is 
available from the Options menu in the Compose Message window.

Thank you in anticipation.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..............

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of 
  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams, 
  published by Pan Books, 1992 
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From: "S.A. Birl" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:50:57 -0400 (EDT)

On Jun 7, Bret Busby ([email-masked]) typed:

bret:  Hello.
bret:
bret:  I have requests for two features.
bret:

[snip first request.  A very good request, btw]

bret:  The second feature request, is for a feature that, in the absence of
bret:  which, requires using another email application, when needing the
bret:  feature. The feature is return receipt requests. I have previously tried
bret:  using what exists in PINE, but have never got it to work. Some people
bret:  dislike the feature, but it is useful, for confirmation that the
bret:  adressee(s) has/have received a particular, important email. I am aware
bret:  that some people disallow receipts to be sent for emails that they
bret:  receive, but, I believe that most people do allow receipts to be sent
bret:  for when they receive/read email messages.
bret:
bret:  To be able to configure the feature like, I believe, Netscape allows,
bret:  where the return receipt can be requested either for when the message is
bret:  delivered, or, when it is read, or both, would be good. It could be
bret:  incorporated as part of the display of the header, when composing, or,
bret:  as part of the confirmation prompt for sending a message, but I believe
bret:  that the former option would be preferable.
bret:
bret:  I believe, from memory, that Netcape and Mozilla incorporate the
bret:  configuration of the return receipt requesting (whether it is for
bret:  delivery only, for when the message is read only, or for both, using
bret:  check boxes for each option) in the configuration of the email facility,
bret:  when setting Preferences and then, when composing each message, the
bret:  option to request return receipts for each particular message, is
bret:  available from the Options menu in the Compose Message window.
bret:
bret:  Thank you in anticipation.

I had a little bit of trouble understanding this 2nd request:

1) Do you want Pine to add a Return-Receipt header?
2) Or did you want Pine to answer a Return-Receipt header?

If the answer is Yes to number 1 then why just add the header in yourself?
I have that header pre-filled in my customized-hdrs in my rc file

If the answer is Yes to number 2 then I would say that should be the
responsibility of the Mailer Daemon to answer a Return-Receipt header not
Pine's, imo.

-- Birl

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:18:24 -0700 (PDT)

> changed from foldername-mon-yyyy to foldername-yyyy-mm.

Others periodically ask for this so we decided to add it. There will be a 
feature called Prune-Uses-YYYY-MM in pine 4.61 to turn on this behavior.
> [...]

Check the feature "enable-delivery-status-notification" to see if that has 
the functionality you want. Thanks.

Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Univ. of Washington: Computing and Communications, Seattle

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From: Bret Busby <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:19:21 +0800 (WST)

Hello.

Thank you for your response.

I note that the Help for that option, states that a person who sets the 
flag for "enable-delivery-status-notification", will be notified when 
the message has been delivered to a mailbox, but not when the message 
has been read.

The Help facility also states that for the Delivery Status Notification 
facility, "DSN's don't provide a mechanism to request read receipts".

Yet I have successfully used that facility for years, with other email 
applications.

>From the text of the Help facility, the DSN's are part of the MTA at 
the senders end. 

>From my experience, read receipts can be obtained, but not according to 
the PINE Help facility.

Could this please be clarified, and, if the PINE Help facility is wrong 
in what it says, could that be corrected?

And, could the feature be incorporated into PINE, to give a person 
sending a message, the option to request a read receipt, when sending a 
message?

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:23:53 -0700 (PDT)

> feature called Prune-Uses-YYYY-MM in pine 4.61 to turn on this behavior.

Will there be an automated way to change all of the eons of old sent-mail
folders to the new format?  (presumably not, this is _sort_ of a joke, but
I've got tons of old sent-mail folders and it'll be a pain renaming them)

I don't know the exact way this would be phrased, but I'd personally
still like the alphabetic month rather than having to convert number to month
all the time.

Maybe something like:

sent-mail-2003-10 (oct)

Just having a smarter sorting and not changing the names at all would
be fine for me too.. i.e. just sort them in year order if they match
some regular expression perhaps.

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT)

Pine implements Delivery Status Notifications. This is based on

    http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3461.txt

Many proprietary email systems have implemented forms of read receipts. 
Pine does not have any support for read receipts. There is a recent draft 
standard to help with read receipts specified in

    http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3798.txt

Implementing this is a low priority for us.