Subject: subfolders

From: "Cloids" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:22:46 -0800

Is it possible to create subfolders in Pine?  I created a folder MYBOX. 
 Can I create another folder inside MYBOX such as PRINTED?
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From: Satya <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:24:48 -0400 (EDT)

> Can I create another folder inside MYBOX such as PRINTED?

I'd make a sub-directory under your mail directory. Which means
folders can either contain mail messages or sub-folders....

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From: "Cloids" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:02:55 -0800

Thanks.

Can I move messages between folders?

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From: Satya <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:56:08 -0400 (EDT)

>Can I move messages between folders?

Always.

Well, usually it's a copy-and-delete operation.

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From: "Cloids" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 06:49:50 -0800

Copy - delete?  I know how to delete, but copy?

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From: Satya <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:43:24 -0400 (EDT)

>Copy - delete?  I know how to delete, but copy?

The Save command, perhaps combined with aggregate commands (see config
screen).

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From: Birl <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:57:00 -0400 (EDT)

As it was written on Oct 20, thus Cloids typed:

cloids:  Return-Path: <[email-masked]>
cloids:  Sender: [email-masked]
cloids:  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:02:55 -0800
cloids:  From: Cloids <[email-masked]>
cloids:  To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
cloids:  Subject: Re: subfolders
cloids:
cloids:  Thanks.
cloids:
cloids:  Can I move messages between folders?

3 choices:

1) Use Export    similar to the 'cp' command
2) Use Save      similar to the 'mv' command
3) 'man mv' or 'man cp'

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cloids:  On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:24:48 -0400 (EDT), "Satya" <[email-masked]> said:
cloids:  > On Oct 20, 2003 at 14:22, Cloids wrote:
cloids:  >
cloids:  > > Is it possible to create subfolders in Pine?  I created a folder MYBOX.
cloids:  > > Can I create another folder inside MYBOX such as PRINTED?
cloids:  >
cloids:  > I'd make a sub-directory under your mail directory. Which means
cloids:  > folders can either contain mail messages or sub-folders....
cloids:  >
cloids:  > --
cloids:  > Satya. <URL:http://www.thesatya.com/>
cloids:  > Memory leak in reactor.c!
cloids:  --
cloids:    Cloids
cloids:    [email-masked]
cloids:
cloids:  --
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cloids:

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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:54:49 -0700 (PDT)

>2) Use Save      similar to the 'mv' command

Why would you do that when you can just do it all within pine and
save from one folder to another, which deletes it in the original folder?

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From: Birl <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT)

As it was written on Oct 23, thus Matt Ackeret typed:

Matt:  On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Birl wrote:
Matt:  >As it was written on Oct 20, thus Cloids typed:
Matt:  >
Matt:  >cloids:  Thanks.
Matt:  >cloids:
Matt:  >cloids:  Can I move messages between folders?
Matt:  >
Matt:  >
Matt:  >
Matt:  >3 choices:
Matt:  >
Matt:  >1) Use Export    similar to the 'cp' command
Matt:  >2) Use Save      similar to the 'mv' command
Matt:  >3) 'man mv' or 'man cp'
Matt:
Matt:  Why would you do that when you can just do it all within pine and
Matt:  save from one folder to another, which deletes it in the original folder?

(Please do not CC me AND post to the list.  It's duplicate email.)

What I listed were 3 different choices to move a message between folders.
Not 3 steps needed to move a message from file to file.

And Door #3 is not really a valid option, unless one *wants* to move/copy
a whole file instead of 1 message.

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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:15:52 -0800 (PST)

>(Please do not CC me AND post to the list.  It's duplicate email.)

I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
to both.

>What I listed were 3 different choices to move a message between folders.

aaah, ok, I misread it.  But #1 exports to a file on disk, it doesn't
move to another folder.

and you're not actually going to move messages with 'mv'.

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From: Michael Abbott <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:26:27 +0000 (GMT)

> I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply

Indeed.  To create this reply I had to:

1. answer yes to "reply to all"
2. delete the to entry (Matt Ackeret)
3. delete the cc entry (pine-info)
4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry

Hm.  Seems rather clumsy.  Much easer to 'answer yes to "use reply-to"?'
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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:47:50 -0800 (PST)

>4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry

I have a 'pine' addressbook entry, so instead of pasting the cc entry, I just
type 'pine' in the to, but it's only a tiny bit less cumbersome.

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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:48:57 -0800 (PST)

>Indeed.  To create this reply I had to:
...
>Hm.  Seems rather clumsy.  Much easer to 'answer yes to "use reply-to"?'

BTW, I didn't actually necessarily mean have the Reply-to set *to the list*.

Even if the reply-to is set *to the user*, it's still easier to reply to the
list than the current case.

(Setting Reply-To to the list makes people more likely to erroneously send
private replies to the list.)

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:22:16 -0800 (PST)

[Don't reply to all, just the list]

> 4. paste the cc entry back into the to entry

Nah, leave out "3" and "4"- it'll automagically transform the "CC" to
the "TO". I do this all the time.

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From: Birl <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:39:08 -0500 (EST)

As it was written on Oct 27, thus Matt Ackeret typed:

Matt:  Return-Path: <[email-masked]>
Matt:  Sender: [email-masked]
Matt:  Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:48:57 -0800 (PST)
Matt:  From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Matt:  To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
Matt:  Subject: Re: Reply-to
Matt:
Matt:  On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Michael Abbott wrote:
Matt:  >> >(Please do not CC me AND post to the list.  It's duplicate email.)
Matt:  >> I think this list should have the reply-to set so it's easier to not reply
Matt:  >> to both.
Matt:  >
Matt:  >Indeed.  To create this reply I had to:
Matt:  ...
Matt:  >Hm.  Seems rather clumsy.  Much easer to 'answer yes to "use reply-to"?'
Matt:
Matt:  BTW, I didn't actually necessarily mean have the Reply-to set *to the list*.
Matt:
Matt:  Even if the reply-to is set *to the user*, it's still easier to reply to the
Matt:  list than the current case.
Matt:
Matt:  (Setting Reply-To to the list makes people more likely to erroneously send
Matt:  private replies to the list.)

I typically have a role setup and populate the Reply-To myself.  I forgot
to it for this list, but it's there now!

Anyways, I tend not to worry about people sending private replies to a
list.  And my configuration always asks if I want to use the Reply-To
instead of the From.

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From: "Mike A. Harris" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:31:45 -0500 (EST)

>private replies to the list.)

It then depends on what statistically the usually desired
behaviour is where the collective of all users on the given list
generally wish a reply to go to.

Since for the majority of mailing lists (a nice way of saying
group discussion forums) postings are generally intended to
discuss things in a group, it is of no surprise that the
overwhelming majority of replies to postings will tend to be 
"generally" intended by the collective of all users to go back to 
the group, and thus continue the public discussion - the main 
intent afterall of public discussion forums.

Therefore, reply-to-list is considered by a lot of mailing list 
administrators and subscribers to be the most sensible default, 
as it allows the majority of users to perform the most common 
operation of replying to the list, by just hitting reply, and not 
having to do anything special or mail-client specific, nor change 
mail software or any of the other nonsensical things people 
usually suggest in these types of threads concerning personal 
preferences.

Most mailing lists out there have been around (including this 
one) for quite a long time, and these types of debates hashed and 
rehashed over and over on them many times.  I would put a lot of 
money down on a bet that this mailing list's administrators have 
decided years ago what their official policy is on the whole 
Reply-To debate, and that they're probably sick of seeing it 
rehashed when it comes up, and just ignore it until it goes away 
again.

For users who disagree with any particular mailing list's default 
configuration and choice of list options such as Reply-To, you 
can use procmail on your end to munge the mail headers to taste.  
It doesn't always constitute a 100% solution but it is often 
adequate, and usually more productive than the debates are - 
which usually never cause a list admin to change anything.  ;o)

That's what I do anyway...  I use procmail to munge my mail into 
my own prefered format.  After you create the rules to do so 
once, you can reuse them on future lists, and avoid the pointless 
arguing about what is the "proper" way of running a list, and the 
"Reply to considered harmful" URLs that never change anyone's 
opinion, etc.

$0.02

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:56:21 +0000

> the "TO". I do this all the time.

Even easier is to read the list via NNTP and then when you type R
for reply, you get this prompt

 Follow-up to news group(s), Reply via email to author or Both?

and you can choose F if you want to reply just to the list. You
can read and post to *this* list by putting this in your
incoming-folders list:

 {news.gmane.org/nntp}#news.gmane.mail.pine.general

Note that at this moment gmane.org has 4545 mailing lists
available via NNTP.

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From: "Cloids" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:37:18 -0800

In the sent-mail folder, is there a way to show who the email is sent to?
As I have it right now, it shows the From, which will always be me, and
it shows the date and the subject.

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:47:07 -0800 (PST)

*** Cloids ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) In the sent-mail folder, is there a way to show who the email is sent
:) to? As I have it right now, it shows the From, which will always be me,
:) and it shows the date and the subject.

Yes, add all the addresses that you use in the From: header to the
alt-addresses configuration option.

Eduardo
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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:43:45 -0800 (PST)

>can read and post to *this* list by putting this in your

No offense, but if I'm going to use NNTP, I'm not going to use pine to
do it!  I'll use trn!  (Though I did try out pine's news support a few years
ago before I successfully got trn working on OSX.. but most of that was
due to my own lack of knowledge about trn.)

>Note that at this moment gmane.org has 4545 mailing lists

I sure wish that Apple's internal mailing lists were done as Usenet instead!
I wonder if they have any of the public Apple mailing lists I'm on as
Usenet instead.  That'd be useful.

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:32:02 -0800 (PST)

> Note that at this moment gmane.org has 4545 mailing lists

No way! Do you have to subscribe, or be approved (to keep the riffraff
SPAMmers out)?

	-Kenny

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:51:04 -0800 (PST)

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Cloids wrote:

> As I have it right now, it shows the From

Interesting; on mine it shows the To:

In either case, "$" (sort) "T" (to) (I think) should do it.

	-Kenny

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:52:54 -0800 (PST)

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> do it!  I'll use trn!

What He Said. :-)

	-Kenny