Subject: Re: unsubscribe

From: Veronica Loell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:13:46 +0100

Nope, but most people that send unsubscribe commands to a list 
rather than the admin-adress do so by mistake and people asking
how to unsubscribe usually havn't read the instructions they got
when they subscribed (I'm sure that there are other people like
you that are "harassed" in this way, but this is the first I ever
heard of).

I would imagine that if you sent a message to a non-robot adress
in regards to you getting spammed they might be able to intervene?
I suppose it might be some very terribly clever spammer that alters
the heading before sending it on to you though, I suppose there's
no way to deal with it then except by regular spam-fighting as you
are doing.

- Veronica

>
>Subject: Re: unsubscribe
>   From: Filip Gieszczykiewicz <[email-masked]>
>   Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:17:12 -0400 (EDT)
>     To: Veronica Loell <[email-masked]>
>     Cc: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
>
>
>
>On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Veronica Loell wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:14:50 +0100
>> From: Veronica Loell <[email-masked]>
>> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
>> Subject: Re: unsubscribe
>>
>> Go to the link at the bottom of every list-email, there will be
>> instructions there about how to unsubscribe.
>
>Which do not work... if the list is being forwarded by some
>intermediate account... and messages to admin do not work. I
>started getting this list ~6 months ago without ANY action on
>my part and after wasting some time trying to get off, I just
>NOW delete it like the other 100+ spam messages I get daily
>(running a web site will cause that).
>
>ie. it's not as clear-cut world as you all assume :)
>
>Cheers,
>Fil
>
>>

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From: daniel lance herrick <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT)

> >ie. it's not as clear-cut world as you all assume :)

Ah yes! I run another list and it sometimes gets
to be more fun than I really wanted when someone
wants off the list but does not know what address
they are subscribed as.

The problem arises when the list sends your copy
to one address but, through the magic of the
e-mail infrastructure, you receive the message at
another address. The list is not sending e-mail to
the address where you are receiving it, so it does
not matter how enthusiastically you tell the
list-owner to stop sending it, he cannot stop
doing something he is not doing in the first
place.

The easiest way to resolve this kind of problem is
for the irritated subscriber to remember what
address he subscribed and reveal it to the list
owner.

Since you say that is impossible in your case, we
need another solution. I can think of one that is
relatively easy, and another that is probably
impossible.

The relatively easy one is for you to persuade a
program you use to read e-mail to show you all the
headers of a message from the list. (You could
point pine at your exchange mail server and turn
on full headers. Any modern e-mail user program
should provide a way for the user to see all the
headers of an e-mail message.)

At the beginning of the list of headers there is a
collection of "Received: " headers showing the
path the message took to reach you. Some of the
"Received: " headers have "for" clauses. One of
the "for" clauses might tell you where the list
software sent the copy that ended up in your box.
Once you have that address, you can be
unsubscribed. For example, my copy of your
unsubscribe message contains:

Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu
    [140.142.14.167])
        by mailgw.bellhow.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CGkMv4014904
        for <[email-masked]>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:46:22 -0400 (EDT

and the fourth line of that header contains the
address to which the list sent my copy. If you get
your similar address to the list administrater,
the list administrater will then be able to help
you.

The really hard approach is to persuade the
operators of the list to switch to software that
puts something like
  [This message was sent to [email-masked]}
in every message.

dan