Subject: PC-Pine options

From: Bob Holtzman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:13:26 -0700 (MST)

After using Pine on my Linux box for a number of years, I decided to ditch 
my ever more frustrating windows mail client and install PC-Pine.

With Linux I use fetchmail to poll my ISP's pop server. What happens in 
PC-Pine? does it depend on the interval set in the configuration file and 
poll as long as the box is connected to the internet? If not, what is the 
procedure to download mail?
 
Lastly, I had my windows client set to leave the messages on the server. I
don't see a way to do this with PC-Pine. Did I miss it or can't it be done?

Thanks for any pointers.

-- 
Bob Holtzman
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
 ......check the price of the beer!"

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:00:30 +0100 (BST)

On 11 May 2003 Bob Holtzman ([email-masked]) wrote:
> PC-Pine?

If you are using PC-Pine 4.55, you can use the new maildrop
feature and the #move namespace to snarf messages from POP
servers (and from NNTP and IMAP servers too). For details go to
Main > RelNotes (MR) and read the Pine built-in Help files on
this.

> does it depend on the interval set in the configuration file and
> poll as long as the box is connected to the internet?

The frequency of polling is determined by mail-check-interval and
maildrop-check-minimum. The Pine built-in Help explains all this.

> don't see a way to do this with PC-Pine. Did I miss it or can't it be done?

Not using the the maildrop and #move features but you could
possibly set up Pine filters to do this. If you want to leave
messages on the server, I recommend that you switch to using IMAP
rather than POP. Nowadays there are lots of good inexpensive IMAP
providers, for example mailsnare.net charges $20/year for 50 MB
of space and you can get an extra 250 MB of space for a one-time
fee of $24.95. They also have tools for automatically snarfing up
to 10 external IMAP/POP accounts so you could consolidate all
your mail there and then access using PC-Pine or any IMAP client
on any machine.

There are hundreds of other possible IMAP service providers, many
of which I list here

 <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/>

Hope this helps,
Nancy

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Nancy McGough
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT)

*** Bob Holtzman ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info list on May 11,
2003:

:) With Linux I use fetchmail to poll my ISP's pop server. What happens in
:) PC-Pine? does it depend on the interval set in the configuration file
:) and poll as long as the box is connected to the internet? If not, what
:) is the procedure to download mail?

Pine has nothing to do with fetchmail. The intervals that appear in the
configuration file of Pine have nothing to do with checks for new mail in
POP, unless you use the maildrop feature of Pine.

There is information about maildrops in the release notes (press M R).
Additional information can be obtained from my web page at

http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/pine-info/maildrop/

:) Lastly, I had my windows client set to leave the messages on the
:) server. I don't see a way to do this with PC-Pine. Did I miss it or
:) can't it be done?

Pine leaves the e-mail in the server when it accesses the mail using POP3.

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Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:40:04 +0100 (BST)

> Pine leaves the e-mail in the server when it accesses the mail using POP3.

Ah yes, Eduardo is right. After reading Bob's message about
fetchmail my brain shifted into snarfing-mail-with-#move mode and
I completely forgot about the old way that Pine does POP. It has
a lot of problems, which you will discover when you start
experimenting with it. I discuss Accessing and "Popping" POP
Inboxes on my Power Pine page here

 <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#pop>

Hope this is helpful,
Nancy

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From: Bob Holtzman <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:03:11 -0700 (MST)

I inadvertently emailed this only to Nancy when I meant to post to the 
list. Apologies.

Thanks to you and Eduardo. I've *almost* got it working. The only problem 
remaining is that only some of the messages make it thru the filters. 
After the messages are downloaded (and all modem activity ceases) and 
filtered, a warning shows up that a number of messages remain in INBOX 
which 
would be the ISP's server. If I boot Linux and run fetchmail and then 
mailstat, the number of messages shown equals the sum of PC-Pine's filtered 
messages and the number reported as still in INBOX. At this point I'm 
almost there but need a pointer to explain this situation.

Thanks again.

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:13:14 +0100 (BST)

> almost there but need a pointer to explain this situation.

Before we can help you, we need to know how you've set things up.
Eduardo and I suggested a number of things, namely:

* use Pine 4.55's new maildrop and #move features
* use Pine's /pop3 qualifier
* use Pine's filters
* use an external snarf tool such as fetchmail or mailutil
* use a combination of the above

Please let us know how you've set things up and we'll try to
help.

Thanks,
Nancy

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Infinite Ink
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From: Rick Lewis <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:52:54 -0700 (MST)

This one has me puzzled, yet I'm not sure it should, since I've done this
in PC-Pine successfully enough.
I'd like to use a pinerc file to have access to my account from a POP3
server which is on a different provider from my shell account.
So when I invoke this pop3 pinerc, I don't want to see my default inbox at
all, only the messages which are on the pop3 server.
Can this be done, and, if so, what's the easiest way?
Maybe it's something I'm doing, but when specifying the inbox-path for
pop3, I still see only the normal inbox from my shell account.
I don't need to reply to messages in this way, just read them, and
possibly delete them.

Thanks!
--Rick

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From: Rick Lewis <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:40:27 -0700 (MST)

Found the answer, sorry about the mailbox clutter.
--Rick