Subject: one nickname for more than one address -> how ?

From: Marc Michalewicz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:33:18 +0100 (MET)

Hi,

can anybody help me with this (for me) big problem in pine :

I know several persons with the same nickname: HANS MEIER,
HANS MUELLER, HANS WETTER, are all stored with the nickname "HANS"
in pines addresbook.

If you compose a new email and type "Hans" in the TO-field,
it takes one of those addressbook-entries without giving you
the possibility to select in between the three possibilities.

Netscape, e.g. pops up a selection-dialog box
where you can choose which of the possible addresses you want.

But in pine - at least it seems to me - there is no solution - ?
That would mean you have to type the complete emailaddress in those
cases ?

I could not find any hint on this either in the archives or FAQ.

Thanks for any hint or help on this.

Marc

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:04:26 +0000 (GMT)

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Marc Michalewicz wrote:

:>Hi,
:>
:>can anybody help me with this (for me) big problem in pine :
:>
:>I know several persons with the same nickname: HANS MEIER,
:>HANS MUELLER, HANS WETTER, are all stored with the nickname "HANS"
:>in pines addresbook.
:>
:>If you compose a new email and type "Hans" in the TO-field,
:>it takes one of those addressbook-entries without giving you
:>the possibility to select in between the three possibilities.

Dont call them all hans! Have hansm, hansw, etc etc; if you cannot
recall which is which use the addressbook lookup faciity when composing
(^T).

:>
:>Netscape, e.g. pops up a selection-dialog box
:>where you can choose which of the possible addresses you want.
:>
:>But in pine - at least it seems to me - there is no solution - ?
:>That would mean you have to type the complete emailaddress in those
:>cases ?
:>
:>I could not find any hint on this either in the archives or FAQ.
:>
:>Thanks for any hint or help on this.
:>
:>Marc
:>
:>

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From: Marc Michalewicz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:59:42 +0100 (MET)

> recall which is which use the addressbook lookup faciity when composing

Basically, you are right, but I have already tried this out and it is
not a real solution to me, frankly spoken.

My addressbook has lots of names with ambigious and non-ambigious
nicknames and shall I each time remember if the one I currently
use is ambigous or not ?
When the addressbook contains 10-50 address this might be ok, but 500
and more - that is not managable anymore in this way.

And the lookup in the addressbook is a bit quite complicated.
You have type ^T and browse (or search with "W") through it; not
a nice solution.

It would be better to jump directly to the location of the first
of all possibilities when hitting ^T. That would be much better .

Shall I participate in the development and implement this or just
raise it as a feature-request ?

Just because this does not seem to be implemented like I experienced
now.

Thanks for this hint.

Marc

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:03:13 +0000 (GMT)

I also have several hundred entries in my addressbook, and find that I
routinely go ^T and W and find it quite natural.

I am not sure about a feature improvement, as with multiple address
books, looking for repeated identical nicknames is not so obvious.

Actually, now I type that, Surely Pine does not allow you to have the
same nickname repeated in one addressbook?

:>
:>On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Barry Landy wrote:
:>
:>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Marc Michalewicz wrote:
:>>
:>> :>Hi,
:>> :>
:>> :>can anybody help me with this (for me) big problem in pine :
:>> :>
:>> :>I know several persons with the same nickname: HANS MEIER,
:>> :>HANS MUELLER, HANS WETTER, are all stored with the nickname "HANS"
:>> :>in pines addresbook.
:>> :>
:>> :>If you compose a new email and type "Hans" in the TO-field,
:>> :>it takes one of those addressbook-entries without giving you
:>> :>the possibility to select in between the three possibilities.
:>>
:>> Dont call them all hans! Have hansm, hansw, etc etc; if you cannot
:>> recall which is which use the addressbook lookup faciity when composing
:>> (^T).
:>
:>Basically, you are right, but I have already tried this out and it is
:>not a real solution to me, frankly spoken.
:>
:>My addressbook has lots of names with ambigious and non-ambigious
:>nicknames and shall I each time remember if the one I currently
:>use is ambigous or not ?
:>When the addressbook contains 10-50 address this might be ok, but 500
:>and more - that is not managable anymore in this way.
:>
:>And the lookup in the addressbook is a bit quite complicated.
:>You have type ^T and browse (or search with "W") through it; not
:>a nice solution.
:>
:>It would be better to jump directly to the location of the first
:>of all possibilities when hitting ^T. That would be much better .
:>
:>Shall I participate in the development and implement this or just
:>raise it as a feature-request ?
:>
:>Just because this does not seem to be implemented like I experienced
:>now.
:>
:>
:>Thanks for this hint.
:>
:>Marc
:>

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From: Marc Michalewicz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:11:18 +0100 (MET)

> routinely go ^T and W and find it quite natural.

I will try to get used to this, because in any other point of view, pine
is the best mailclient for me.

> books, looking for repeated identical nicknames is not so obvious.

OK, I did not think of this, probably you are right.

> same nickname repeated in one addressbook?

Yes, it works for me (ver 4.53).

Thanks a lot for your help.

Marc

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:15:51 +0000 (GMT)

:>> Actually, now I type that, Surely Pine does not allow you to have the
:>> same nickname repeated in one addressbook?
:>
:>Yes, it works for me (ver 4.53).
:>

For me, it definitely faults any attempt to do that (also 4.53). Can we
have an official view as to what the intention is, please.

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:37:03 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)

> have an official view as to what the intention is, please.

I believe we try to catch attempts to add entries with identical
nicknames, and even prevent you from doing so if the other entry is in the
same address book. If the address book already has multiple entries we do
not try to fix it, but return only the first entry when the nickname is
typed in.

The intent is that each entry should have a unique nickname.

Steve

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:16:49 +0000 (GMT)

Indeed; the original poster confessed to me (private email ) that he had
edited his addressbook by hand.

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Steve Hubert wrote:

:>On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Barry Landy wrote:
:>
:>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Marc Michalewicz wrote:
:>>
:>> :>> Actually, now I type that, Surely Pine does not allow you to have the
:>> :>> same nickname repeated in one addressbook?
:>> :>
:>> :>Yes, it works for me (ver 4.53).
:>> :>
:>>
:>> For me, it definitely faults any attempt to do that (also 4.53). Can we
:>> have an official view as to what the intention is, please.
:>
:>I believe we try to catch attempts to add entries with identical
:>nicknames, and even prevent you from doing so if the other entry is in the
:>same address book. If the address book already has multiple entries we do
:>not try to fix it, but return only the first entry when the nickname is
:>typed in.
:>
:>The intent is that each entry should have a unique nickname.
:>
:>Steve
:>

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From: Marc Michalewicz <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:55:02 +0100 (MET)

> edited his addressbook by hand.

Sorry for my mistake, I should have posted this to the list as either.
That was accidentally.

Marc