Subject: Reply with full text (i.e. html source)

From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:38:57 -0800 (PST)

I thought one of the pine developers said that pine 4.50 would fix a problem
I am having.  If it does, I can't figure out which pref I have to enable.

When I get a spam message and want to complain (definitely more often
for my work mail address), I want to reply with full headers and the
source of the html message to show the URLs and such to show why I'm
complaining to a certain site..  (i.e. I look up whoever runs the site or
ip addresses with bwwhois (www.bw.org) and complain to those addresses.. yes,
it sometimes does help..)

Anyway, previously I'd have to copy/paste the html (or at least a section
of it) into a reply..

I still do, but someone had said 4.50 would have an option to do what I want.
Basically, I want to be able to reply with the un-rendered text, especially
when I'm viewing in full header mode (I see the un-rendered text that way),
it just doesn't reply with the un-rendered text.

What am I missing?

thanks.

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From: Chris Devers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:55:13 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> complaining to a certain site..  (i.e. I look up whoever runs the site
> or ip addresses with bwwhois (www.bw.org) and complain to those
> addresses.. yes, it sometimes does help..)

I've been doing exactly this since at least 4.44. The easiest way to do
this, as far as I have seen, is to forward the message, not reply to it.

  * hit H to expose headers
  * hit F to forward
  * when prompted, agree to "forward as an attachment"
  * compose message, with whatever header text you'd like

Depending on the recipient's mail client, this may show up as one long,
funny looking email, or as a multipart mime digest, an attachment, etc.

Fun variation, for sending say a day's worth of spam to Spamcop.net:

  * flag spam message[s] with the ':' colon key
  * type AF to 'Apply the act of Forwarding' all messages
  * when prompted, agree to "forward as a MIME digest"
  * compose message, with whatever header text you'd like

This is the same idea as above, but allows you to send an arbitrarly big
batch of messages to the recipient. The same caveats apply regarding the
mail client[s] on the other end & how they handle multipart mime messages.

This isn't the tactic you're trying to use, but it sounds to me like it'll
get the job done.

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:00:08 -0800 (PST)

>   * compose message, with whatever header text you'd like

Why "as an attachment"? I just say "n" here and it works as a "flat" mail.

	-Kenny

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From: Jeff Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:03:49 -0800 (PST)

> it sometimes does help..)

The feature is "enable-full-headers-and-text".   It should come in quite
handy for what you're trying to do.

Jeff

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From: Chris Devers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:11:28 -0500 (EST)

> Why "as an attachment"? I just say "n" here and it works as a "flat" mail.

Force of habit I guess :)

Part of it is that, for me, an attachment seems a little more "pristine".
It's easy to tamper with the content of what you're forwarding, but when
sent as an attachment it's just a bit harder to do that, and I'm assuming
that if the person on the other end has thought the same way then maybe
they'll trust a little more that messages forwarded as attachments are
being sent as they were originally delivered to me.

Or something like that. Like I say, the main thing is force of habit :)