Subject: three unrelated issues.

From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT)

I did a search for "duplex" in all message text, it found one message.

I open the message, type wduplex<return>..
-> it finds one occurrance "on line 2" (actually line 4 of the screen, but
I guess it's only counting the message display lines).

I hit w<return>
it says:
                         [Found on line -215 on screen]

and it's putting the cursor at the beginning of line 3 (message display lines).

pine4.44 on Mac OS X.

and an unrelated issue..  This may be worded improperly, but is there
any way I can make pine include separate text parts in the *reply* to a
message, not as attachments?

That is, I can read a message, and I'll see one text field when I view it..

But if I reply, it ends up with only part of the message in my editor, and
other text parts are attachments, I think.

Also, if I'm viewing in full header mode, I wish I could reply to spam emails
(actually report them, but I use reply and change the To address) and have
the raw html included in the reply.  That doesn't work.  It shows me the
formatted html, so I have to cancel the reply, manually copy and paste the
crap into a new message..  (For example, I complain to the websites mentioned
in the email, [email-masked], etc..  -- comments about the ineffectiveness of this
are not necessary)

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From: Joel Boonstra <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:11:09 -0400 (EDT)

<snip>
> Also, if I'm viewing in full header mode, I wish I could reply to spam
> emails (actually report them, but I use reply and change the To
> address) and have the raw html included in the reply.  That doesn't
> work.  It shows me the formatted html, so I have to cancel the reply,
> manually copy and paste the crap into a new message..  (For example, I
> complain to the websites mentioned in the email, [email-masked], etc..
> -- comments about the ineffectiveness of this are not necessary)

To do this, I turn on full headers, then forward.  It asks me if I'd
like to "forward message as attachment".  I say 'n', and it inlines the
HTML in the text of the forward.  This has been sufficient for spam
reporting (to spamcop.net, at least).

I don't know if replying has a similar feature.

Can I comment on the effectiveness of reporting spam?  We've had one
case where several of us reported similar spam, and were replied with a
note from the provider asking us to sign sworn statements saying that we
didn't request the email, or give our addresses to them.  Since the
addresses that were being spammed were something like
[email-masked]', it was pretty obvious that we didn't sign
them up.  Apparently, the hosting company was involved in litigation
with their customer, and the host was soliciting witnesses against their
customer.

So sometimes it works (sorta).

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From: daniel lance herrick <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT)

Reply prunes a lot of headers.

Forward preserves a lot of headers.

I don't believe the state of the full headers
toggle has any effect on what headers get
preserved in either case.

The "raw html" (generally very raw) and other mime
attachments are preserved in a forward. 
Attachments are dropped in a reply, presumably the
author of the original message already has them.

For showing someone else a complete message that
you received, you want to forward it.

For responding to the author of a message you
received, you want to reply to it.

dan

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From: Beartooth <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT)

> preserved in either case.
	(snipperoo)
	If that last is true, I've been going to a lot of wasted
trouble for a lot of years!

	Suppose it is; A forwards message XKQJ to B, without
turning on full headers; what does B do to see the full headers
that A got?
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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Joel Boonstra wrote:
>mattack wrote:

This actually doesn't work, as Joel confirmed.

It would be cool if there were a way to inline the raw HTML source in a
message.

Forwarding works, but then I don't see the Received headers to complain to the
site it really came from.

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From: Jeff Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT)

> It would be cool if there were a way to inline the raw HTML source in a

Hi Matt,

In the next release, there will be a feature, enable-full-header-and-text,
which will allow someone to view the raw message body along with the full
headers.  Forwarding and Replying will forward/reply the raw message body
(including MIME headers and attachments), which sounds like what you are
trying to accomplish.

Jeff

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