Subject: Re: being friendly with alternate editors

From: Joel Boonstra <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT)

> Another approach would be to not blank out all the
> headers when displaying the "Invoking alternate editor..."
> message - instead, put that message below the headers.

True, although that only is really helpful if my alternate editor spawns
a new window.  In the case of terminal vim, this probably would be small
consolation.

I know it's outlandish, but wouldn't it be cool if vim and Pine combined
forces, and made an embeddable version of vim for Pine?  Users could
choose to use either pico or vim as their stock editor, and use the
alternate-editor command otherwise.

Obviously, it's tough to draw the line then at what editors you start
embedding.  But perhaps then some hooks to pine to allow a generic
editor to be compiled in to pine, so anyone with enough knowledge could
hook their favorite editor in to pine.  That'd be cool...

Anyway, probably not realistic.  But it'd be cool, nonetheless.

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From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:52:31 -0400 (EDT)

Don't forget about Emacs.  I personally think the editor is stupid, but
its a religious thing.

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From: Mike Walker <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:26:44 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

pico is essentially an emacs subset.

It's not so much religous as entrenched.  It's over 20 years old.
I used full-screen emacs emulators like FINE back when line editors
like SOS were common.  That was a BIG step up then.  Is it dumb that
I  can still use it today on all platforms?

Why would I want to learn a mouse based editor that not extensible
always requires a bitmapped display, not available on all platforms,
and won't be around in a couple years?

But if you have any doubts that I'm a luddite (:-), I've also used
Frame Maker since '84.  Most of the emacs commands worked with it
before Adobe bought it.

>Don't forget about Emacs.  I personally think the editor is stupid,
>but its a religious thing.
>
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>
>Arthur H. Johnson II
>Senior Systems Engineer
>
>The Linux Box