Subject: Re: [Maintainers] pine removed (fwd)

From: Denis HAVLIK <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:00:24 +0200 (CEST)

Hi, folks

Unless I can present a nice "shut up and leave the pine in the distro -
the way you do it now is fine with us - of course you have to add
patches to rpms - who told you this crap about us not wanting people to
distribute pine rpms" type of answer to our dear developers, pine WILL be
dropped from MandrakeLinux distribution.

In case this isn't clear, MandrakeLinux is the second most used
Linux distro these days, and considering the fact that we attract much
more "new users" than any other distribution, we are on the good way to
become nr. 1.

I hope some human beeing from Washington.edu actually reads this list,
and cares enough about seing pine included in a major linux distro
to answer the question(s), or find someone who is able to answer them.

I really don't feel like changing to "mutt" after >10 years of
using pine as my primary (and only) email client. :-(

thx

	Denis
PS: Suppose I'll be leaving this list in a while (sorry, but I'm
overloaded as it is...), so please answer to "[email-masked]",
and directly to me, rather than answering (only) to this list.
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:14:06 +0200 (CEST)
From: Denis HAVLIK <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Maintainers] pine removed

Oh, not again. :-(

We've had this shit MANY times already, and I'm sick of looking trough the
pine documentation and reading the legalise docs to assure everyone this
is OK. Is it so difficult to actually ASK the university of washington
what THEY think about the whole story, and rely on their answer, rather
than gueswork and (mis)interpretation of the stuff written in their
licence?

I bet they would be happy to answer, after all Mandrake is the second most
used Linux distribution worldwide, and on a good way to become the Nr. 1
in one year or so.

Pine exists since 1989, and I've yet to hear of University of Washington
complaining about the fact that pine is included (and patched in order to
make it work properly) in a Linux distribution, which is for me a very
good reason to believe that this whole yelling about the pine licence is
nothing but a pile of crap.

Here, I've made this great effort to contact pine "owners", so let's see
what they'll answer. Whatever the answer is, I'll consider it
"official", write a story about it on MandrakeForum, try to push it
towards all the other linux-related sites, and use the URL of that story
in all the future pine-related discussions.

- If their answer is "no, you are doing illegal things, please stop
distributiong pine" I'll make a public apology to all the people I'm right
now reffering to as "overzealus greenhorns with no idea of what they are
doing" (in the best case), stop advertising pine (or better said start
anti-advertising it), and learn how to use mutt. Do I have to eat my hat too?

- In case their answer is "yeah, sure you can do this" and you still
decide to drop pine from the distro, I'll have to install RedHat on my
machine (or at least their pine package).

cu
	Denis
PS: One more thing. Please take a look at these stats, and think about
them a little: http://staff.washington.edu/corey/pine-stats/

On 4 Apr 2002, Pixel wrote:

+ Date: 04 Apr 2002 12:48:22 +0200
+ From: Pixel <[email-masked]>
+ Reply-To: [email-masked]
+ To: [email-masked]
+ Cc: [email-masked]
+ Subject: [Maintainers] pine removed
+
+ FYI pine is removed from distro since:
+
+ - it is illegal to distribute a patched binary
+   (http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/legal.html#10.1)
+   whereas our pine has *many* patches!
+
+ - it is illegal to distribute pine together with proprietary software in
+   powerpack
+   (http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-02-025-21-OP-CY-DB)
+
+ more: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#pine
+

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