Subject: Re: your mail

From: Vimala <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:21:05 +0800

I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can someone tell
me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or Netscape). This is
urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functions
involved.

Thank you

vimala
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From: Mats Dufberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:44:54 +0100 (CET)

> urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functions

With pine you can access your email in three ways:

1. Via an IMAP server. If so, all mail folders could be stored at the
server, including outgoing mail. Configure your other mail client to
access the email in the same way.

2. Via an POP server. With POP only the inbox is accessible, and only
non-removed email. But new mail could be accesssed via another mail
client. No folders are accessible.

3. Via the file system. In that case, only mail client running on the
server and knowing the pine mail boxes can access the email. The inbox is
accessible for all standard unix email programs.

If the IMAP server is the one coming with pine, you could access the mail
both trough the file system and through the IMAP server.

Mats

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From: Thomas Baker <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:34:06 +0100 (MET)

[Giving this thread a name: "Viewing pine mailboxes in a browser"]

I think Vimala is asking a much different question -- "how can one view
PINE mailboxes in a browser such as Netscape?"  I would also very much
like to know the answer.

As far as I can tell, browsers that use a variant of the Unix mbox
format for email -- such as Opera, Mozilla, and Netscape -- need to
first index the mbox files in an email database.  In other words, you
cannot just click on an mbox file and view it in a browser -- or
rather, you can, but it will come up as plain text, routing headers and
all, and without rendering the URLs to be directly clickable.  I made a
few half-hearted experiments in this area awhile ago and concluded it
would take a considerable effort -- shell scripts, filters, and whatnot
-- to make this work.

With PC-Pine, alas, it appears that this sort of workaround would not
be practical because PC-Pine makes it extremely inconvenient to use
anything but its non-standard, proprietary mailbox format "c-client
MBX" (with non-text characters), which makes PC-Pine incompatible with
Unix pine, which uses the Unix mbox format.

Because of this incompatibility, in fact, I am probably going to have
to abandon pine altogether when I move from Solaris to WIN2000 and use
the Cygwin port of mutt for Windows.  (There is a Cygwin port of pine
that uses mbox as the default format, but in my experience you have to
install an XWindow emulator and run it in an xterm window -- nice that
it works, but a bit cumbersome.)

As with pine, however, mutt will only solve the problem of _processing_
the mail (reading threads, responding, organizing messages into mboxes,
etc), not of _viewing_ the mail in a Web environment.  For that, it
looks to me like it is necessary to download all mail _twice_ -- once
for processing with mutt or pine, and once for indexing by Netscape or
Opera for viewing in a Web environment.  I would dearly love to see
this depressing conclusion proven wrong.

Tom

> both trough the file system and through the IMAP server.

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:34:04 +0000 (GMT)

On 9 Mar 2002 Mats Dufberg ([email-masked]) wrote:
> 1. Via an IMAP server.
> 2. Via an POP server.
> 3. Via the file system.

Mats is right that these are the ways you can access your
messages *with Pine*, but if you want to access them from a web
browser. Here are some questions/comments:

* Question: Why do you want to do this? Is it because you want to
  be able to access your messages when you aren't at your own
  computer, eg, when you're visiting a friend or Internet Cafe?
  Or is it because you no longer want to use Pine and you want to
  use an integrated program for mail and web?

* Comment: There is no such thing as "PINE mails." Pine messages
  are stored in mailboxes and these mailboxes are accessible to
  many different programs, depending on the format of the
  mailboxes and on the type of server that the mailboxes reside
  on. Have you seen the movie "The Matrix"? In that movie, we
  learn that things are not the way they appear and that is a
  lesson relevant to the world of Internet messaging -- just
  because it appears that your messages are part of Pine does not
  mean that they are!

Depending on your answer to the question above, we may have some
suggestions on how to access your messages using your web
browser.

Nancy
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From: Paul Jakma <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:51:52 +0000 (GMT)

> [Giving this thread a name: "Viewing pine mailboxes in a browser"]

why not setup an IMAP server to share out the mailboxes, then one can
a multitude of clients to access/view those mailboxes, including pine,
netscape, outlook98, eudora, etc..  and IMP (a PHP webmail application
- see horde.org).

--paulj

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From: Christopher Fisk <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:09:28 -0500 (EST)

>urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my mails and no other functions

This is not a feature of PINE AFAIK.  You may have some luck setting up a
form of webmail, and make multiple copies of your e-mail, or better yet,
find a webmail program that reads from standard mbox format.

Christopher Fisk

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From: Jason Tiller <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:30:24 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)

Hi, Vimala, :)

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Vimala wrote:

> I've been mailing for so many times without any feedback..can
> someone tell me how I can access my PINE mails from a browser (IE or
> Netscape). This is urgent. All I want to do is to able to view my
> mails and no other functions involved.

There are a number of free (or almost free) e-mail providers who
provide IMAP access as well as Web-based views of your mail.  Not to
be an advertizer or anything, but the one I use, FastMail, has worked
well for me for the last six months and the admins *very* friendly to
Pine and IMAP.  There are many more out there, I'm sure.

Try http://www.fastmail.fm/

Good luck!

---Jason
[email-masked]

P.S. - I also have an account at MyRealBox, http://www.myrealbox.com/
This is a demonstration platform for Novell's NIMS and NDS
technologies, so it's not nearly as stable as some of the others, but
it's completely free...

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From: Vimala <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:55:57 +0800

Hi,

My requirements are as follows:

1. I need to create certificates & have them installed in a web browser for
authentication purpose so that users can perform remote access to their
mail server, when they are out of their working area. This is done
successfully.

2. My server is running on Linux, so I have pine in there which I use to
access my mails. But what happens when I go somewhere
else....authentication need to be performed before access is allowed.

3. Once authentication is done, I should be able to "VIEW" my mails in my
PINE inbox. I don't have to worry abt other mail functions as long as the
user get to read his mails, this is considered good enough.

4. I am to use either IE or Netscape for this. The main page can be
accessed from anywhere but the secure page (done via https) that is gonna
display my mails is only retrieved once a secure connection is established.

5. My only worry now is what must I do in order to view my inbox messages
in Pine, using either Netscape or IE. 

I was told & I read so many papers that says that I can do this by
configuring either POP or IMAP. I feel POP is good enough as I only want to
be able to view the messages but how do I go abt doing this?I am trying to
avoid using Netscape Messenger if possible. Can somebody help me please?
I only have abt 3 weeks to get this working (I am a student).

Thank you very much.

Rgds,
Vimala

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:18:13 +0000 (GMT)

I have a Question: Is this going to be put into production or is
this just an exercise for a University assignment? If it is the
former, you may just want to set up your system so that people
can SSH to your system and run Pine in an SSH window. A lot of
universities seem to do this by making a web-based java SSH
client available to their users. Some are listed here

 <http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Security/Products_and_Tools/Cryptography/SSH/Clients/>

Many people seem to like MindTerm. This way you let Pine do most
of the work and you and your system administrators simply have to
make sure that the web-based SSH client is working.

If this is for an assignment and you need all the requirements
you list because it's part of the assignment, then I recommend
that you set up an IMAP server on your system (maybe one is
already in place) and then your users can use either Pine, which
is the quintessential IMAP client, or a web-based IMAP client to
access and process their mailboxes. There are many web-based IMAP
clients. A good place to start investigating them is here

 <http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/Mail/Web-Based/>

Good luck,
Nancy