Subject: Wow -- replying with pine is amazing.

From: Satya <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:51:04 -0800 (PST)

People say Pine lacks HTML support. Well Pine recognizes the
blockquote tag (and others -- in *properly formatted* HTML, which is
the problem) just fine and inserts the reply lead-in correctly. T'is
4.21.

I say to the developers: good work!

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:03:20 -0800 (PST)

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Satya wrote:

> People say Pine lacks HTML support.

Really? When I used to use "mailx" (which I had for about 15 years), the
encroaching use of the dreaded HTML (no doubt brought on by people using
Microsoft VirusSpreader- er LookOut!) meant I tossed your message. Now,
Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!)

Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!"

	-Kenny

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From: Satya <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:18:25 -0800 (PST)

>> People say Pine lacks HTML support.

Someone who shall remain nameless (because that was a private reply)
just told me that the behaviour I decsribed might have been Pine
replying to the text alternative of the message. Still, good!

>Pine lets me see it sanely (now I don't have throw 'em away!)

Yes, which is all a Good Thing. I did say "sanely". The people who say
Pine lacks HTML support either use an old version or don't have Clue.

The same people who click on attachments in certain other programs.

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From: James <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:14:56 -0800 (PST)

> People say Pine lacks HTML support.
And I for one hope that it continues not to!

One of the projects on my list of things to do when and if I ever get
some spare time is some sort of a filter that will automatically
recognize HTML email and bounce it back to the sender with a nasty
message attached.

James

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From: Adam Bisaro <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:23:42 -0500 (EST)

>Like Satya said, "Kudos to the Pine Dev team!"

A dissenting opinion:

  HTML mail is evil.  Mail clients have no business parsing
  HTML, period.  Adding this misfeature was a terrible move
  on the part of the Pine dev team.  Boo!  Hiss!

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:29:59 -0800 (PST)

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote:

>HTML mail is evil.

Amen.

>Mail clients have no business parsing HTML, period.

Amen.

>Adding this misfeature was a terrible move on the part of the Pine dev
>team.  Boo!  Hiss!

Bullsh*t. Until you can guarantee that the stupid hash of unnecessary
tags and stupid colors etc. that some makes some misguided fools think
HTML adds value to E-mail stops coming to my box, I'm *glad* Pine has
the ability to display that crap in some sort of usable form (and even
allows me to reply to it sanely).

Now, if they were ever to add HTML *composition* features, I'd drive up
to the UofW and have their heads mounted on pikes my damn self.

	-Kenny

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From: Adam Bisaro <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:55:07 -0500 (EST)

>allows me to reply to it sanely).

I'm *not* glad about that ability, but in fairness, I'm not in a
position where I'm forced to deal with HTML mail.  I flush 99.5% of
the HTML formatted messages I receive (spam).  On the rare occasion
someone sends me a legimate HTML message, I take corrective action to
insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her
mistake.  If ever I did feel the need to read junk mail, I'd pipe it
through a script to filter the tags, and read the text.

Some of us really don't need or want this sort of feature -- no
bullsh*t.

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PEACE,
adb.

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From: Satya <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:21:56 -0800 (PST)

>  on the part of the Pine dev team.  Boo!  Hiss!

YMV. At least pine parses it in a sane way -- only the most basic
tags, no execution, no loading of other resources (in the "URL"
sense).

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From: Kenneth Crudup <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:28:13 -0800 (PST)

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Adam Bisaro wrote:

> insure that the individual in question does not repeat his/her mistake.

I get a lot of mail from non-persons that's not SPAM, but is HTML-corrupt.

	-Kenny

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From: James <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:09:26 -0800 (PST)

> Some of us really don't need or want this sort of feature -- no

That's my experience, too.  Almost all of the HTML email I get is spam.
The only others I can remember are occasional newbies on (non-computer
related) mailing lists, and a polite note telling them how NOT to send
HTML usually takes care of the problem.

I have found a use for the occasional dose of spam, though.  Whenever I
start feeling humble, I have only to read one or two, reflect on the
fact that there must be people out there who fall for such scams, and my
belief in my own intellectual superiority is instantly restored :-)

James