Subject: Collection list - What is wrong?

From: Murphy <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:51:03 +0100 (MET)

Hi,

I have strange behaviour. Maybe it is only strange for me, bu... anyway.
I'm try to set the new collection in the "COLLECTION LIST", then I
select:

Nickname  : TLEN
Server    : 212.126.20.4/pop3
Path      : INBOX
View      :

But it seems doesn't work because I can't acces to my emails through the
POP3 service. If I added this through "Incoming-Folders" and it's works
fine, but it's not a case because I don't want to check this account
every time when I receive the mail through IMAP from the another server.
The another problem is that every time I need to specify password for
this account and there is no way to store it somewhere in the
configuration.

Is there some solutions for my problem?

Regards,
Murphy

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:48:33 -0800 (PST)

*** Murphy ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I have strange behaviour. Maybe it is only strange for me, bu... anyway.
:) I'm try to set the new collection in the "COLLECTION LIST", then I
:) select:
:)
:) Nickname  : TLEN
:) Server    : 212.126.20.4/pop3
:) Path      : INBOX

A collection is a directory that contains folders, in this case, you are
trying to add a folder, and need to add it to the incoming-folders
collection.

:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't acces to my emails through the
:) POP3 service.

It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a directrory, it
is a folder.

:) The another problem is that every time I need to specify password for
:) this account and there is no way to store it somewhere in the
:) configuration.

- If you are using PC-Pine, you need to create an empty file called
"pine.pwd" in the same directory that contains the pinerc file.

- If you are using Unix Pine, you need to recompile Pine. Edit the file
"pine/pine.h" and add the following line to it:

#define PASSFILE "pine.pwd"

Recompile Pine and create an empty file called pine.pwd in your $HOME
directory. The rest of the process will take care of it by itself. The
process will only work if you actually have a file called "pine.pwd", if
it does not exist (because you removed/renamed it) it won't matter if you
recompiled Pine or not with this capability.

  You can hide your password file in a more secure place than your $HOME
directory, you can change "pine.pwd" by a path relative to $HOME, in order
to put the password file somewhere else. Notice that Pine4.41 will have
the ability to specify a full path, but there is no wasy to specify shell
variables in its path.

-- 
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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From: Murphy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:13:24 +0100 (MET)

>trying to add a folder, and need to add it to the incoming-folders

The problem is that I don't know how to set it correctly because in the
help for this there is no example how to do it. There is no any example.
Then how to set this if it's really possible?

>It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a directrory, it

Then how to specify a folder in the "COLLECTION-LIST" because I don't
want to check this account every time like is done using
Incoming-folders?

>#define PASSFILE "pine.pwd"

OK, I'm try to do this. If I create this file and recompile the Pine
with this modification, then the password will be stored automatically
in this file or should I set this mannually using some editor?

Thanks!

Regards,
Murphy

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:27:41 -0800 (PST)

> Then how to set this if it's really possible?

As I said, you don't want to set up a collection. A collection is a
directory, INBOX is not a directory.

> want to check this account every time like is done using

You can't do that, the folder that you want to add must be in the
collection, but again, it would not be added in the way that you are
trying, because when you add a collection you are really adding a
directory. You are probably confused because in the deafult configuration
of Pine the folder INBOX is part of the default collection of folders, but
that's a misunderstanding caused by Pine. INBOX is an incoming folder, it
is not in that collection.

I do not undertand what you mean by "I don't want to check this account
every time like is done using Incoming-folders?". Incoming folders does
not check automatically any folder (except possibly INBOX), and when it is
not POP3. You wouldn't have this problem at all.

> in this file or should I set this mannually using some editor?

As I said, follow the directions (the ones that you did not quote), create
the empty file and start Pine. Enjoy afterwards.

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From: Murphy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (MET)

>directory, INBOX is not a directory.

How can you know what I want to set? :) This was an example, probably
wrong one, but I don't know how to set it correctly using the collection
list.

>> >:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't access to my emails through the
>> >:) POP3 service.
>> >It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a directory, it
>> >is a folder.
>>
>directory.

Then why there is a possibility to add a _folder_ from the collection
via POP3? See the help:

  POP3
      This value indicates communication with the server takes place via
      the Post Office Protocol 3 protocol. Note that there are several important
      issues to consider when selecting this option:
       1. POP3 provides access to only your INBOX. In other words,
          secondary folders such as your "saved-messages" are inaccessible.

Translating this to the English it mean: You can have access to the
first _folder_ but not to the second _folder_. Right? Then why it's
working through "Incomming-Folders" but not through "Collection List"
even if the "Collection Lists" allow to do this according to the help
screen? I know also that there is a lots of limitation for using the
POP3 where the remote INBOX is more less "read only" and there is no
chance to move this e-mail from the INBOX (read "remove") and store it
locally like it's working fine for the locally stored INBOX'es.

For this moment the only good solution is to use "fetchmail" under Unix,
but what should I use under Windows? :|

> You are probably confused because in the default configuration

You right - I'm confused because help says that I can do it, but in the
reality I can't. :(

>I do not understand what you mean by "I don't want to check this account

Maybe I have "magical" version of pine 4.40 which has do this trick
because I can check every email through all of my collection lists using
the "Incomming-Folders", where I have the nicknames for the folders
which should be checked when I press the "Tab" key. If I add also the
POP3 entry then this account will be checked also, which is not good
because sometimes it takes lots of time. And the time is the reason that
I would like to check this account from time to time, not always like it
is done now. Do you understand now my point?

Murphy

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:30:53 -0800 (PST)

:) On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:) >> The problem is that I don't know how to set it correctly because in the
:) >> help for this there is no example how to do it. There is no any example.
:) >> Then how to set this if it's really possible?
:) >As I said, you don't want to set up a collection. A collection is a
:) >directory, INBOX is not a directory.
:)
:) How can you know what I want to set? :) This was an example, probably
:) wrong one, but I don't know how to set it correctly using the collection
:) list.

I know becuase you said what you wanted to set in other messages. If I had
a mouse I would cut and paste your messages. I'm too lazy to include them
here.

:) >> >:) But it seems doesn't work because I can't access to my emails
:) >> >:) through the POP3 service.
:) >> >It doesn't work, among other reasons because INBOX is not a
:) >> >directory, it is a folder.
:) >>
:) >> Then how to specify a folder in the "COLLECTION-LIST" because I
:) >> don't want to check this account every time like is done using
:) >> Incoming-folders?
:) >
:) >You can't do that, the folder that you want to add must be in the
:) >collection, but again, it would not be added in the way that you are
:) >trying, because when you add a collection you are really adding a
:) >directory.
:)
:) Then why there is a possibility to add a _folder_ from the collection
:) via POP3? See the help:
[snip]

But that doesn't apply to your case, because as I told you, you need a
directory in the entry, not INBOX. What you want to do, would not work
even if you wrote "/imap" instead of pop3.

That help that you quote is more appropriate for the inbox-path or when
addding a  new entry to the incoming-folders collection, that it is there
and confuses you is part of your misunderstanding, so that's why I've been
trying to tell you what is the right thing that will work and why what you
are attempting won't. You should write to the Pine Team to tell them that
they should put this help in a more appropriate place. I once did, and I'm
still waiting for an answer.

:) I know also that there is a lots of limitation for using the
:) POP3 where the remote INBOX is more less "read only" and there is no
:) chance to move this e-mail from the INBOX (read "remove") and store it
:) locally like it's working fine for the locally stored INBOX'es.

Yes, you can do this. Add your pop3 folder as an incoming-folder, and
create a filter that will move mail from that folder to a local folder.

:) Maybe I have "magical" version of pine 4.40 which has do this trick
:) because I can check every email through all of my collection lists
:) using the "Incomming-Folders", where I have the nicknames for the
:) folders which should be checked when I press the "Tab" key. If I add
:) also the POP3 entry then this account will be checked also, which is
:) not good because sometimes it takes lots of time.

Then don't press tab. Unfortunately I do not have a better suggestion (you
could also make that pop3 folder your inbox, but that doesn't work right
either). If you were using unix pine I would tell you to use my patch to
know which incoming folders have new mail (because you can configure which
folders will be checked).

:) And the time is the reason that I would like to check this account from
:) time to time, not always like it is done now. Do you understand now my
:) point?

Sure, when you explain it there's no problem. Unfortunately you are
hitting yourself against a wall which is impossible to cross.

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From: Murphy <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:46:10 +0100 (MET)

>a mouse I would cut and paste your messages. I'm too lazy to include them

I know it was a bad example because I'm tryed to do it in every possible
way, but in fact the Pine team screw a help page for this option and it
leading now to confusion.

>still waiting for an answer.

Now I understand this, but the Pine Team should change this
documentation or fix it to give a choice to use this like is written in
the help for this option. At this moment when you go to the collection
list definition window and use ^G on the server field then you get the
help "Collection Edit Help -- Server Field" where the POP3 option is
possible to use. But only in the theory. =8^(

But it's also confuse that I can't create the collection POP3 and put
there every remote location. The problem is that the valid names for the
folders are always related to the IMAP server (see "Folder Name Syntax
Explained") and there is no chance to specify a remote folder in the
other collection than "incoming-folders".

>create a filter that will move mail from that folder to a local folder.

I will try it but only for an experiment because mostly I'm using Pine
under Unix environment then is better to use fetchmail instead Pine POP3
access which is not so good.

>folders will be checked).

Actually I have your version of pine wich conatain lots of patches (this
one too), but I completly forgot about this. For this moment I have "*"
in this field

>hitting yourself against a wall which is impossible to cross.

I'm never doing this, but this time somebody made a very realistic
painted passage on this wall. ;)

Thank's for your help Eduardo!

Regards,
Murphy

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From: "srivastava" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:53:50 +0100

How can we use digital ID with PINE?

Kailash Srivastava