Subject: Hi ... Just a Few Questions ;)

From: Mike Harris <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:10:57 -0600 (CST)

Hello.  I'm always a bit cautious when posting my first message to a
mailing list; I'm always a bit concerned I'll step on someone's toes
right away.

I have sort of a few unique problems.  I hope you don't mind me
bringing these questions to you.

I am a recent convert to Mac OS X, and after getting quite disgusted
with Apple's Mail problem, I downloaded and installed PINE v4.40 onto
my computer.  It appears to be working quite well.

I do, however, have three questions:

First, is there a way to call upon Mac OS X programs for the
"image-viewer" and "url-viewer" variables?  In other words, could I
conceivably somehow program PINE to call upon Internet Explorer to
view an image or a Webpage?

Second, in concert to the above, I also downloaded Lynx and installed
it, and am temporarily (or permanently) using it to view URLs included
in messages.  The problem, however, is that upon quitting Lynx, I am
dropped back to the command line; I am not returned to Pine.  I am
told:

> Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> Pine Exiting.
> Abort

Finally, it does not appear that I can select text using the mouse
while in Pine.  I do have use-mouse-in-xterm turned on, although I
realize Apple's Terminal program is not xterm.  It would nice to be
able to select text using my mouse ... this would allow me to cut and
paste URLs into Internet Explorer, if needed.

I am far happier with PINE's power and treatment of e-mails than with
past e-mail programs I use.  If I must endure these problems, *shrug*,
then fine ... but I figured I'd see if you experts had any feedback on
them. :)

Thanks,

Mike

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From: "Steven R. Loomis" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:13:39 +0100 (CET)

> my computer.  It appears to be working quite well.

 I haven't tried 10.1 mail really, but - i hear you.

> First, is there a way to call upon Mac OS X programs for ..

Set url-viewer to "/usr/bin/open".

For images, I use the following (which I got around to writing, just now)

------------------ cut after this -----
#!/bin/sh
TEMP=$HOME/tmp/img
mkdir $TEMP 2> /dev/null
FILE=$1
SAFE=`echo "$1" | tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9.'`
cp -- "$FILE" $TEMP/$SAFE
/usr/bin/open $TEMP/$SAFE
------------------- cut before this -------

safety is to avoid bad filenames coming in.  Actually that could be
  /usr/bin/open  -a /Applications/Utilities/Preview.app $TEMP/SAFE
to force the program to use [i have not tried this]

> > Problem detected: "Received abort signal".

 You just missed this one on the list.  Either uncomment or add lines like
"#define vfork fork". This is a 10.1 'problem' as is the next.   Replace
these in pine/os-osx.c and pine/os-osx.h  and also in pico. Better yet,
find the list archives because I'm not sure of the exact files, but it is
a known problem.

> while in Pine.

 Try selecting blindly and hit command-C.  As of 10.1 I think, the colors
don't show what's selected.

> then fine ... but I figured I'd see if you experts had any feedback on

 Yeah.. maybe it'd be nice to see a GUI program with that much power and
speed.  Haven't seen any which treat mail as seriously as pine- as real
data which needs reliable and flexible tools applied to it.

-steven

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From: Mike Harris <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:38:51 -0600 (CST)

Steve,

I'm very appreciative of such prompt attention.  However, I'm feeling
a bit stupid.  I'm having problems with all of your solutions, but I
have a feeling they're tied to:

> You just missed this one on the list.  Either uncomment or add
> lines like "#define vfork fork". This is a 10.1 'problem' as is
> the next.  Replace these in pine/os-osx.c and pine/os-osx.h and
> also in pico. Better yet, find the list archives because I'm not
> sure of the exact files, but it is a known problem.

Er.  Huh?  Grog like shiny lickable buttons.  Grog thinks shirt he is
wearing needs washing, but is instead trying to get mail program with
name of type of tree to work more efficiently on big lickable
grapey-colored egg.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.
Were these files involved in the initial compilation of PINE I did?
Will I need to recompile OS X on my computer?

You see, as far as I can tell, there are two different ways PINE can
be on your computer in OS X.  One suggested compilation involves using
something in Python to essentially go and grab your mail from the
server and plunk it into an on-your-computer INBOX.  The other way --
the way I have it -- has PINE compiled to sign into your ISP's server
to grab the INBOX.

So, do I need to essentially recompile/reinstall PINE to get it to
stop exiting with abort signal from open and from lynx and from your
image-viewing script?  Something in their tech notes seems to makes me
think otherwise ...

> Try selecting blindly and hit command-C.  As of 10.1 I think, the
> colors don't show what's selected.

Bingo.  Why the heck would they do that?  "It's a feature, not a bug."
Oy.

Mike

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From: "Steven R. Loomis" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:48:50 +0100 (CET)

> Will I need to recompile OS X on my computer?

 Sorry. yes, pine needs a recompile..

> You see, as far as I can tell, there are two different ways..

 should be the same source.. the go-grab-your-mail is a SEPARATE program
outside of pine. I use fetchmail.  Are you sure they are different
compilations and not different setup files?

> image-viewing script?  Something in their tech notes seems to makes me

 Pine needs a recompile to avoid Abort signals, under 10.1.  Period.

> > Try selecting blindly and hit command-C - 10.1 feature

 I have no idea. Even setting it to black on white is no go.  it's like
they didn't want to stomp on the program's choice of color..

~s

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From: "Mike A. Harris" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 04:58:16 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Steven R. Loomis wrote:

Once again, this mail is being misattributed to me.  The top line 
sounds like something I have recently said "In all seriousness, 
I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.", however none of 
the rest are my words.

TTYL

>Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:48:50 +0100 (CET)
>From: Steven R. Loomis <[email-masked]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
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>Subject: Re: Hi ... Just a Few Questions ;)
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From: "Mike A. Harris" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 04:56:08 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Steven R. Loomis wrote:

>Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:13:39 +0100 (CET)
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I did not write that at all.  It is being attributed to me 
however.  In fact I couldn't find anything in this message that I 
wrote.  Please check your attributions when sending mail.

I'm definitely not a convert to Mac OSX although I am sure it is 
probably a nice system from what I hear.  ;o)

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From: "Steven R. Loomis" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:26:17 +0100 (CET)

> I'm not sure to what you're referring to here.", however none of

I have now changed my reply-leadin to contain  "<_ADDRESS_>", as above.
this would have made the original messages say:

   On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Mike Harris <[email-masked]> wrote:

Regards,
 Steven.

P.S. the other one doesn't use the middle initial 'A', isn't that enough? :)

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From: Mike Harris <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:35:54 -0600 (CST)

On November 5, 2001, Mike A. Harris <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I did not write that at all.

You're right; you didn't. ;-)

Mike
(Michael _J._ Harris ... nice to meet you ... you know the premier of
Ontario has our name, too ... )