Subject: Couple of questions

From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:06:57 -0800 (PST)

1) Is there a way I can get pine to re-ask me the "move sent-mail"
question?  I know I have a workaround (manually rename it and make a new
sent mail folder) so it's no big deal.  I *know* I read personal mail
yesterday but I must have said no then.. and pine was upgraded, so I
was asked again(??)..  And I looked in my sent-mail folder and it IS all of
January..

2) I had a setscores and a score-based filter that weren't previously working
(I don't know why).  I guess fortunately, they kicked in this morning and
my attempted spam filter moved ~1500 messages into my suspected spam folder.
(I have since changed the filter to be *NEW* messages only, and will of
course add new mailing lists to my list of acceptable To headers as I
run into them..)

ANYWAY..  So I went to my suspected spam folder, selected everything, and
saved it all to INBOX.. fine..   But now my INBOX can't be reliably
sorted in Arrival order.

Is there a workaround to get "arrival" back to approx date order, then
I can view INBOX by arrival again?

I'm not sure if 'Save' saves the items in the order they are shown to the
user.

If so, then I *think* I can:

1) create a new temporary mailbox
2) sort INBOX by date
3) select all in inbox
4) save all to temporary mailbox
5) select all in temporary mailbox
6) save all to INBOX

(I'm guessing that IMAP won't just let me RENAME the temporary mailbox to
INBOX, and that sounds more dangerous to what I'm trying to do anyway.. in
case mail comes in in the meantime or something..)

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:48:46 -0800 (PST)

> 5) select all in temporary mailbox

Yep, you can do that.  But you don't even have to worry about the
temporary mailbox.  Just sort by date, select all, and save them back to
the Inbox.  From then on, the "arrival" sort will be the same as the date
sort (except for mail that comes in after you do this).

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From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:11:30 -0800 (PST)

>> I can view INBOX by arrival again?
...
>sort (except for mail that comes in after you do this).

Just as a warning.

This takes a VERY VERY long time (I have over 2000 messages in my mailbox)
*AND* you end up with a duplicated deleted message for each message..

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From: David Dyck <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:27:52 -0800 (PST)

> *AND* you end up with a duplicated deleted message for each message..

This was a good trick, (I also have used the temporary file method)
but another note to remember is that both the direct save, and
the temporary file methods also change the "From " line.

I just tried with the message Matt sent and it changed from:

>From [email-masked]  Fri Feb  2 12:13:16 2001
   to
>From [email-masked] Fri Feb  2 12:13:16 2001 -0800

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:56:06 -0800 (PST)

> >From [email-masked] Fri Feb  2 12:13:16 2001 -0800

That shouldn't matter, really.  Those lines are only used to seperate
messages.  What matters in Pine and other MUAs is the From: and Date:
lines, which are unaffected by an IMAP save.

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:36:08 -0800 (PST)

*** Scott Leibrand ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, David Dyck wrote:
:)
:) > This was a good trick, (I also have used the temporary file method)
:) > but another note to remember is that both the direct save, and
:) > the temporary file methods also change the "From " line.
:) >
:) > I just tried with the message Matt sent and it changed from:
:) >
:) > >From [email-masked]  Fri Feb  2 12:13:16 2001
:) >    to
:) > >From [email-masked] Fri Feb  2 12:13:16 2001 -0800
:)
:) That shouldn't matter, really.  Those lines are only used to seperate
:) messages.  What matters in Pine and other MUAs is the From: and Date:
:) lines, which are unaffected by an IMAP save.

That does not matter for Pine, some other people have complained that
UW-IMAP server changes the from line and other (old) mailers (e.g. unix
program "mailx") rely on the e-mail address contained in that line (this
issue came out before in this mailing list, and the problem was that
UW-IMAP server made this change, eg:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2000.11/msg00030.html). It's not
an issue if you just use Pine or some other modern mailer, so I guess
those people will always be ignored and have the same problem.

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Eduardo
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