Subject: filter question

From: Matt Ackeret <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:48:46 -0800 (PST)

Ok, this is 4.21 on my personal acct (same disclaimer - I have asked for
it to be updated - apparently it's nontrivial since they use some nonstandard
mailer).  Oooh, 4.30 (on my work acct) has more useful help info.. but it
doesn't seem to answer my question..

As much as I personally detest spam filtering, I think I'll finally try
to set one up(*).  I don't see an obvious way to do a NOT..

My idea is:

To address != ([email-masked] | lateshownews mailinglist | pine mailing
list | a few other mailing lists I'm on)
move to possiblespam folder
(obviously I'll use the real addresses above).

Everything else will still sit in my INBOX.  And since pine awesomely 
hides filtered messages from me (one of the VERY few times I support hiding
information from the user), I basically won't see the spam messages until I
go look in that folder.  (I'm way too untrusting to delete the messages 
automatically, even if I almost never get a non-spam message hit by the
filter.)

(*) I think filtering spam is basically giving in and implicity supporting
evilness.  I have my address book filled out with anti-spam addresses and
the very useful bwwhois (www.bw.org) helps look up IP numbers for others...
But after getting a threat a few days ago (info on news.admin.net-abuse.email),
maybe I should be a LITTLE bit less zealous about it.

Though if I could *bounce* the messages as if I had never received them, that
would be great.

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:46:03 -0800 (PST)

> move to possiblespam folder

The only way I know of to set up a NOT operator in Pine's filtering is to
use Scores.  If you wanted to do that operation, you couldd assign a score
of, say, 10 to each of those conditions, and then set the filter to move
anything with a score less than 10.  Of course, scoring can be way more
powerful than that, but that's all I use it for.  :)

> the very useful bwwhois (www.bw.org) helps look up IP numbers for others...

I don't think the two are necessarily connected.  I filter spam to a
junk-mail folder, and then use www.spamcop.net to report any mail that is
really UCE (and not just a stupid forward or something that got BCC'd to
me).

> Though if I could *bounce* the messages as if I had never received them, that

Yeah, that'd be cool.  If anyone knows how to do this convincingly with
procmail, or even manually, please provide a pointer to the instructions.

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