Subject: Re: newsgroup wacky workaround (Was: New mail not detected in POP3)mailbox

From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:11:39 +0000 (GMT)

On 24 Jan 2001, Eduardo Chappa ([email-masked]) wrote:
> *** Nancy McGough ([email-masked]) wrote in the...:
> :) do not take any time at all. Do you, Eduardo, have a POP INBOX
> :) that receives a lot of messages that you check regularly
> :) throughout the day? My guess is that you don't because otherwise
> :) I think you'd appreciate this.
>
> No I do not have a pop3 inbox, but if I had one I would have applied this
> trick a long time ago. I think the trick is too old to be excited about
> it.

Maybe it is old to you but I had never heard of this trick before
Terry posted it and I've been reading comp.mail.pine and
pine-info for years, and also regularly searching the Internet
for "pine" to find pages that I can link to on my Infinite Ink
Pine web pages. The trick is not putting the POP3 or NNTP mailbox
in your incoming-folders list, it is putting it *second* in the
list and having the first one be a dummy local folder. If your
primary incoming folder is a POP mailbox, this trick (to me at
least) saves a tremendous amount of time throughout the day. What
I think most people do (before they hear about this trick) is
list their primary incoming folder first and then, if it is POP,
when they want to check it for new mail they need to go to
another folder (which takes time and keystrokes to get to and
then time to open) and then come back (which takes more time and
keystrokes).

>   I also access my newsgroups pressing "G CR", TAB is too slow and you
> never know where you'll stop if you press it blindly (as most Pine users
> do).

If you leave at least one message in a POP or NNTP mailbox you
will always stop at that box. This is a trick I use to ensure
that pressing TAB stops at key places in my incoming-folder list.

> The "G CR"  combination (plus a few ^N if necessary) is the fastest I
> think, regardless from where you have your newsgroup.

Yes I also often use

 G
 ^P (because my primary news collection is listed last)
 news.group.name
 CR

to go to a newsgroup. But for newsgroups that I read every day
(and these are on multiple news servers) I like to be able to
step through them -- along with all my mailing list folders -- by
just TABbing through my incoming folder list. FYI, many of my
mailing lists are delivered to my POP inbox and when I open it,
Pine filters all those messages into their appropriate
IMAP-accessible folders.

^X,
Nancy

-- 
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Nancy McGough          http://www.ii.com          Infinite Ink
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:09:24 -0800 (PST)

*** Nance McGough ([email-masked]) wrote in the...:

:)  If your primary incoming folder is a POP mailbox, this trick (to me
:) at least) saves a tremendous amount of time throughout the day. 

That explains your excitement. Me too, I always try to look for ways to
save myself time. That was the motivation of almost all the patches that I
have written and now my pine is very efficient and don't have to use too
long in doing time consuming operations (the most typical is saving from
inbox to specific saving folders, I have it set to be an automatic process
based on predefined rules, this is a long process otherwise). Now I think
I understand your excitement.

  I also think that your excitement denotes the fact that Pine is not a 
great POP3 client, meaning that it was designed to work as a great IMAP 
client, but still has lots of room for improvement in the POP3 side. Maybe 
someone more knowledgeable can tell us what are the plans for Pine in this 
respect.

:) >   I also access my newsgroups pressing "G CR", TAB is too slow and you
:) > never know where you'll stop if you press it blindly (as most Pine users
:) > do).
:) 
:) If you leave at least one message in a POP or NNTP mailbox you
:) will always stop at that box. This is a trick I use to ensure
:) that pressing TAB stops at key places in my incoming-folder list.

Oh!, that's quite interesting. Since I am an IMAP user I strive for the 
opposite, do not leave new messages in incoming folders, because I want 
TAB to continue to the folder I want to go to (yes, I know to which folder 
I want to go to, because of another patch). Pressing TAB is usually not a 
good friend, but pressing "G fol[TAB]der CR" is the way to go much of the 
time.

  Have a good day!

-- 
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/