Subject: HMMM.

From: Ron Poulton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:07 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page)

HI.  I have the domain "thok.net", and unless I specify EMail addresses
to be forwarded to other accounts, all EMail to thok.net gets sent to
me.

What I'd like to be able to have is the Reply-To set to whatever the
To field was set to.  Example:

"thok at technologist.com" is my primary forwarding address to a POP3
box.  If someone sends a piece of EMail to "comment at thok.net", I want
that EMail forwarded to "thok at technologist.com", but if I reply
to it, it'll set the From: and Reply-To: headers to "comment at thok.net".

Confused?  Me too!

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:29:57 -0800 (PST)

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Ron Poulton wrote:

> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:03:07 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page)

First of all, I'd fix that...

> To field was set to.  Example:

This can't be done automatically for every possible To: field, but you can
use Roles to do it for specific addresses such as "comment at thok.net".
To do so, you'll need a relatively recent version of Pine.  I'd recommend
4.31, but 4.21 would work as well.  Create a role whose pattern is the To:
field, and set the role's From: field to be that same address.  You'll
have to create one role for each address you want to do that for.  And
BTW, the Reply-to: header is not necessary if it'd be the same as the
From: header.

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From: Ron Poulton <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:19:48 +0000 (GMT)

> First of all, I'd fix that...

Already done.  Just had to copy (or link) /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT
to /etc/localtime.  Still learnin'!

(See http://nak.ourstudents.md for some info on what that above time zone
problem led to.  Too funny. ;)

> BTW, the Reply-to: header is not necessary if it'd be the same as the

Every EMail to 'thok.net' gets forwarded to this EMail account unless I
specify otherwise (i.e. I could have "sunman at thok.net" forwarded to
my brother's POP3 account).

I need are some select pieces of forwarded EMail stored in a specific folder.
That's easy enough with filtering.

I accomplished what you set forth in your response, however a response
to it results in the From: AND the To: field containing "comment at thok.net",
instead of "From: comment at thok.net" and "To: thok at technologist.com".

Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized.

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:09:21 -0800 (PST)

> Sounds like this is a tad more complex than I realized.

Perhaps you need to add one or more of your other addresses to
alt-addresses in Main, Setup, Config.  If that doesn't fix it, please
explain again who sends what where and how it gets forwarded to your
different accounts.

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From: Ron Poulton <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:58:12 +0000 (GMT)

> explain again who sends what where and how it gets forwarded to your

I'll explain anyway.  The forwarding at thok.net and iname.com together
tends to be pretty slow.

1) user sends EMail to "comments at thok.net"
2) I receive the EMail in my personal pop3 INBOX
3) I respond to the EMail
4) The From: address shows up as "comments at thok.net" in their EMail

I understand that I will have to apply this to each EMail address I
wish to set up as such.  There are two primary uses I have for this:

A) Software and Website support (each program will have its own EMail
   response address, such as "bobsg at thok.net"
B) EMail address tracking, where I can see if any companies are selling
   my EMail address (or just plain giving it) to other companies not
   authorized to have it

Filtering is simple enough, if need be.  Generally I just accept each
EMail in my INBOX anyway and store it in the appropriate folder.

I'd also like to know if there's a way to 'categorize' folders - that
is, separate the folder listing.  I don't want to deal with subfolders,
but to have, for example:

			[Personal]

	personal	sent-mail	humour

			[Website]

	hosting		support		software

And so forth.  Or am I expecting too much all at once?  <smirk>.

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From: Ron Poulton <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:01:30 +0000 (GMT)

Okay, here's what's set up right now (yes, I used the AT symbol for
EMail addresses ;):

Role "comments at thok.net" (named it that for sake of reference):

- To pattern is set to "comments at thok.net"
- Current folder type is "Email"
- Initialize settings using rule: <No Value Set>
- Set From: "THoK.Net Comments <comments at thok.net>"
- Set Signature: ".thoknetsig"
- Reply Use: With Confirmation
- Forward Use: With Confirmation
- Compose Use: Never

That's it.  Now, what happens:

- I get the EMail
  - "From:" is set to "Ron Poulton <thok at technologist.com>"
  - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net"

- I reply to it and
  - "From:" is set to "THoK.Net Comments <comments at thok.net>"
  - "To:" is set to "comments at thok.net" instead of the originator
    of the EMail

So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton <thok
at technologist.com>".

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:31:25 -0800 (PST)

*** Ron Poulton ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton <thok
:) at technologist.com>".

The Problem is that Pine is always thinking that is is "Ron Poulton" who
is answering the e-mail, not "comments at thok.net" who is answering,
after all you have your role in the Ron Poulton account, not in the
comments account. Because of this Pine will NOT add you to your list of
addresses to reply and will use the comments account to reply to (very few
people reply to e-mails that they write to themselves). In order to force
Pine to write the "Ron Poulton" account in the To: field, when replying to
this e-mail you will need to add the address "comments @ thok.net" to your
alt-addresses list in your configuration, and then Pine will realize that
when replying to that e-mail you won't be "Ron Poulton" but "comments @
thok.net". Does that make sense?

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:36:33 -0800 (PST)

> So I need the "To:" field set to, in this case, "Ron Poulton <thok

That is strange.  I've never seen this behavior from Pine before, so I'm
inclined to think there's some sort of a problem with the headers of the
forwarded message.  Here are a couple things I'd do, if Eduardo's
suggestion doesn't work:

 - Try sending a message From: Ron Poulton <thok at technologist.com>,
To: comments at thok.net, and Bcc: your "real" address (where it'd get
forwarded).  Try replying to both the forwarded copy and the Bcc'd copy
and see if there's any difference between them.

 - View the full headers of a forwarded message and see what kind of extra
junk the forwarding system added.  A properly forwarded message should
only contain a couple extra Received: lines - nothing else should be
changed or added.  If you want, you could also send me/us a copy of the
full headers so we can see if there's anything unusual.

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From: Ron Poulton <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:30:01 +0000 (GMT)

> forwarded message.  Here are a couple things I'd do, if Eduardo's

Already had the alt-addresses set up, including "comments @ thok.net".

> and see if there's any difference between them.

Would this be my POP3 account that I'd toss in BCC?

> full headers so we can see if there's anything unusual.

Sent you the full header.  I have no idea what I'm looking for, being
a newbie to this part of the process. ;)

> * Unsolicited commercial email may be billed $500 per message.          *

What's that "$500 per message" thing all about?

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From: Ron Poulton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:23:37 +0000 (GMT)

It appears my original message did not get sent to the mailing list. ??

I managed to fix the roles problem.  In the alt-addresses entry, I
listed each of my EMail addresses separated with a space instead of
using the "A"dd command to add new addresses.  Works beautifully
now.  Thanks a lot for your help, guys.

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:37:51 -0800 (PST)

Let's deal with this one issue at a time...

> And so forth.  Or am I expecting too much all at once?  <smirk>.

I think this might be doable.  You'll need to define additional
collections for each "category", which could point to subfolders of your
normal collection if you want.  Then you can define
combined-folder-display in Main, Setup, Config to display all the folder
collections on the same screen.

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:48:51 -0800 (PST)

> Would this be my POP3 account that I'd toss in BCC?

Yeah.  Not that it matters any more.  :)

> a newbie to this part of the process. ;)

I only got the basic headers.  To forward the messages with full headers,
you have to press H first to display them.  But since you got the problem
fixed, you don't have to worry about that, either.

> What's that "$500 per message" thing all about?

Check out http://www.mcnichol.com/spam.htm - he explains it quite well.