Subject: RE: PINE and mbox

From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:31:35 -0800 (PST)

*** Mark Crispin ([email-masked]) wrote today:

:) >   The result is that "mbox" contains the message that I had in my inbox,
:) > whose path points out to the server. In another words, the message was
:) > moved.  This is a bug, because mbox should have been empty at the end of
:) > the test.
:)
:) disable-these-drivers only affects Pine behavior on local files.  It has no
:) effect upon IMAP sessions.

Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done
through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't
know them.

-- 
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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From: Emil Isberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:07:48 +0100 (MET)

>through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't

Since wu-imapd/ipop3d doesn't have a configuration file it's very hard to
specify it... Perhaps add another commandline argument.

Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it...
(The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have
disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.)

-- 
Beauty and harmony are as necessary to you as the very breath of life.

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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:24:23 -0800 (PST)

*** Emil Isberg ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) >Why is that? I personally think this should also be able to be done
:) >through IMAP. I'm sure you must have good reasons for that, I just don't
:) >know them.
:)
:) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it...
:) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have
:) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.)

This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set
"disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine
(actually the server) will disappear.

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From: Emil Isberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:34:36 +0100 (MET)

>(actually the server) will disappear.

That is a bug... It shouldn't complain (that loudly) about not finding a
driver that the user want to disable... Perhaps log a line, but not
complain.

(The reason why one would want to have disabled-these-drivers=mbox is to
forsee a future upgrade where a sysadm forgets about it... It has happen
before and will happen again.)

-- 
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:00:19 -0800 (PST)

*** Emil Isberg ([email-masked]) wrote on Dec 5, 2000:

:) On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
:) >*** Emil Isberg ([email-masked]) wrote in the pine-info list today:
:) >:) Else you can disable the mboxdriver before you compile it...
:) >:) (The bug about this is that pine constantly complains if one have
:) >:) disable-these-drivers=mbox in your pinerc.)
:) >This is not a bug, if you disabled it in compilation then you should set
:) >"disable-these-drivers=" and empty value. The complaint from Pine
:) >(actually the server) will disappear.
:)
:) That is a bug... It shouldn't complain (that loudly) about not finding a
:) driver that the user want to disable... Perhaps log a line, but not
:) complain.

I don't understand this as a bug. You may suggest that pine don't complain
very loud about it, but complaining about something that is correct is
not a bug. If Pine were complaining about something incorrect, it would be
a bug.

:) (The reason why one would want to have disabled-these-drivers=mbox is to
:) forsee a future upgrade where a sysadm forgets about it... It has happen
:) before and will happen again.)

I understand your point, but actions taken or not taken by a system
administrator are not Pine's fault. I certainly disagree with the fact
that they added a new *default* INBOX access method, in my opinion they
would have been more consistent if they had added this and not make it the
default, or just to make this work for local acces and not IMAP acces.
Until today I have not received any answer as to why you can not tell the
server that you don't want to receive messages in your mbox file by
default when you do this by IMAP. This problem has been raised several
times and there's no real solution as there is with local acces.

  Given that the Pine team decided to make this behavior the default, you
should be either lobbying for either make them not to make this the
default anymore or lobby for an IMAP command that allow you to tell a
server "do not transfer any messages to me by default". For consistency
this could be done through a configuration like
"disable-these-drivers=mbox", and/or other means. I believe the method
that Pine is using today is wrong in this sense and that's why you receive
this loud message from the server, but I would not qualify it as a bug
since it is behaving as designed.

  I am not saying that I am right, I am just stating what my points are. I
would appreciate if someone proved me wrong.