Subject: PCPine as a POP client

From: Cliff Green <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:53:05 -0400 (EDT)

I occasionally use PCPine as a POP client to retrieve email from my ISP at
home (yeah, it's @Home).  This has the beneficial effect of preventing any
viri or whatever from launching when I try to delete the spam and assorted
crud that comes through.

However, I was wondering...  I know where my mail is when I use an imap
client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
downloaded from a POP server?  If I don't delete the messages from my
inbox, where do they exist on my PC?  Or do they exist anywhere at all
(other than in memory)?

c
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From: "Aaron S. Hawley" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:51:03 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 4 May 2000, Cliff Green wrote:

<snip> 

> inbox, where do they exist on my PC?  Or do they exist anywhere at all

in your inbox still.  pop3 and imap are necessarily different folder
formats, just different retrieval methods.

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From: Stephen Clay <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:41:17 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

PCPine works as a pop client?!

> > downloaded from a POP server?

With a pop3 mail client your PC downloads the messages from the
inbox on the mail server to your inbox (how it's stored depends on
the client) on your hard-drive.  An IMAP client (pine as I know how to use
it) lets you peek into the inbox on the mail server itself, w/o copying 
the messages locally.

Steve

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From: "Nick Birkett (x8289)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:58:00 -0400 (EDT)

> inbox on the mail server to your inbox (how it's stored depends on

That depends somewhat on how your mail reader is configured.  I have my
Outlook express set up to leave a copy of the message on the server so
that it is still available for me to read on my work UNIX computer using
Pine.

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From: Cliff Green <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:19:04 -0400 (EDT)

SC> PCPine works as a pop client?!
Yup.

SC> > > client - where does the mail go (ie, what folder, if any) when it's
SC> > > downloaded from a POP server?
SC> 
SC> With a pop3 mail client your PC downloads the messages from the
SC> inbox on the mail server to your inbox (how it's stored depends on
SC> the client) on your hard-drive.
Right.  But that's to a local inbox.  With Pine, your inbox is remote (or
so it's always been for me using imap).  So where is the mail downloaded
to?

SC> An IMAP client (pine as I know how to use it) lets you peek into
SC> the inbox on the mail server itself, w/o copying the messages
SC> locally.
Right.  But the question was about Pine as a POP client.

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:41:25 -0700 (PDT)

> so it's always been for me using imap).  So where is the mail downloaded

If you have PC-Pine set up using the /pop3 flag, then I'm pretty sure mail
is only stored in memory while you're connected to your POP3 server.  It's
not really downloaded at all unless you (s)ave it somewhere.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

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From: Cliff Green <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:32:53 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 5 May 2000, Scott Leibrand wrote:
SL> On Sat, 6 May 2000, Cliff Green wrote:
SL> > On Fri, 5 May 2000, Stephen Clay wrote:
[munch]
SL> If you have PC-Pine set up using the /pop3 flag, then I'm pretty sure mail
SL> is only stored in memory while you're connected to your POP3 server.  It's
SL> not really downloaded at all unless you (s)ave it somewhere.
SL> 
SL> Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

Nope.  Looks like that's exactly what happens.

Checking my pop mail with PCPine, leaves the mail on the
server.  Deleting it with PCPine removes it just fine.  Checking later
with a "regular" popclient (e.g., Communicator) and the mail read by
PCPine shows as unread.  (Cool - the flags on the server aren't reset by
PCPine - this is perfect as far as I'm concerned).  So, looks like Pine
works just fine as a previewer for mail that may be suspect.

c