Subject: return receipt feature

From: Leslie Fairall <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:41:38 -0500 (EST)

Hello:

I turned on the return-receipt feature by typing the line:

return-receipt-to: [email-masked]

in my custom headers. I recceive a receipt from some ISPs, but not
from others. I am an on an ISP that also uses pine that will not generate 
a return receipt. I have also noticed that if I send a message to myself
or someone else on the same ISP, I will not get a receipt either. Does 
anyone know why this may be happening?

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:04:26 -0800 (PST)

Check out section 3.2 of the Pine FAQ, entitled: Can I get a
"return-receipt" when sending a message with Pine?  It's at
<http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/problems.html#xtocid1175413>.

Basically, Pine was designed to not respond to return receipt requests.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:11:20 -0800 (PST)

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Leslie Fairall wrote:

>Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:41:38 -0500 (EST)
>From: Leslie Fairall <[email-masked]>
>To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
>Subject: return receipt feature
>
>Hello:
>

Where are the custom headers?  Is this just a receipt for when the
message _arrives_ or when it's read?

If for when it arrives, isn't the lack of an almost immediate bounce 
good circumstantial evidence that it got there?  I'm not meaning to argue, 
I'm curious.

About the _only_ feature of the awful QuickMail we used to use at work that
I miss is the ability to actually see when someone READ the message you sent.
(Via return receipts, and I think you could also effectively open the message
from your sent mail to check it that way too.)   I realize a lot of people
spaz out about privacy about things like this, but it's convenient as hell.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:15:24 -0800 (PST)

Argh, ignore my last message.  I don't know what I was searching for
the first time, but I just found "customized-hdrs".

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From: "Michael B. Trausch" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:39:02 -0500 (EST)

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> About the _only_ feature of the awful QuickMail we used to use at work
> that I miss is the ability to actually see when someone READ the
> message you sent. (Via return receipts, and I think you could also
> effectively open the message from your sent mail to check it that way
> too.)  I realize a lot of people spaz out about privacy about things
> like this, but it's convenient as hell.
> 

I would be one of those people, depending on what it is.  Right now, of
course, since I read this thread, I'm doing a little experiment on Pine's
way of managing return reciepts, but I almost never request a return
reciept, becuase I feel that if someone wants me to know that they got an
email, that they'll tell me.

I would like to see various email clients have the ability to send a
return reciept when someone reads a message, sometimes, as with urgent
messages, that would be a good thing.

Now that I think on it, the only time I have ever attached a return
reciept request to an email was to test someone's credibility -- I had a
boyfriend that kept insisting that he wasn't getting *any* of my emails at
*any* of his email addresses, and so I sent three individual emails to him
at those addresses, with an extended DSN header on them requesting a
return recipt, and I got three return reciepts back stating that the
message was successfully delivered to the mailbox, and on the two that his
mail client (Netscape Communicator) downloaded the messages on, it sent a
*second* return recipt stating that it was, in fact, downloaded and
potentially read.

So I found out that he was full of bullshit.

But other than that, and the little experiment that I'm doing at the
moment, I've never used return reciepts.

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From: Andy Malato <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:06:51 -0500

Ok that's one use for return receipt -- although that's something I've never
heard before, I'm sure the folks at UW will be happy that they included return
receipt capablilites in PINE to help you trackdown the BullS* artist!!

	---Andy

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From: "Michael B. Trausch" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:13:52 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Andy Malato wrote:
>
> Ok that's one use for return receipt -- although that's something I've
> never heard before, I'm sure the folks at UW will be happy that they
> included return receipt capablilites in PINE to help you trackdown the
> BullS* artist!!
> 

That's really the only practical use I can think of for return reciepts,
other than ensuring that urgent messages get through (especially in
corporate environments).  I was talking to someone at my school and they
want to create an edited version of pine that send return reciepts when
messages are read (after saying, "This message has a return reciept
request, do you wish to send a return reciept?").  I rather like the idea,
because I can send an email to my teacher or supervisor and say "Yo, this
is urgent" and know when they read it.

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From: Leslie Fairall <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:18:29 -0500 (EST)

Hi All:

The main reason why I would like to use return-receipts is for
school-related also. I am a graduate student that emails a lot of my 
assignments. Last semester I kept asking one of my professors if he had
received my assignment. He kept saying he had to check his email first. I 
figure that if I can get a return receipt when my professors read the
message, I will have a confirmation that he/she received my email and can
keep it in a folder for my records until the end of the semester. I think
that's a legitimate use for return receipts.

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From: "Michael B. Trausch" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:46:09 -0500 (EST)

> that's a legitimate use for return receipts.

Yep.  Return reciepts are one of those things that is a great little
thing, when used right.  But I knew a guy that had me on his mailing list
w/ a RR request on EVERY email he sent out, and I didn't appreciate it, so
I told him to bugger off so that I didn't have to put up with it; I
personally consider it a violation of privacy unless it's important.

	- Mike