Subject: requested feature, unless I'm missing something

From: Robert Larmon <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:23:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)

Hi all,
	I was wondering if there is a feature to separate attachments from
email, sort of like how Eudora has a directory to automatically move
attachments to a directory.  If not, I request that this become a feature.  
I am encountering many users who receive hundreds of attachments, and
keeping them in the same 'folder' as the email is causing lots of slowness
when they try to navigate among their folders.  I would tell them to just
delete the attachment, but I don't think that's a feature either.  
(Unless they reply the email to themselves and delete the original, but
that's pushing it for my users).

I was thinking something that would work the same in PC-Pine or regular
Pine, so maybe have an 'attach' directory in c:\pine and/or
~/user/attach.  And then have a couple options like...

[Attachment Options]

[ ] enable-local-attachments (for PC-Pine only?)
[ ] enable-remote-attachments
[ ] search-all-attachment-folders
[ ] enable-copy-to-local-then-delete (again for PC-Pine only? for someone
				who uses both - which is half my users)

	Delete from remote after  (this I guess could tie in to the
					monthly sent-mail check?)
	[ ] 1 week	[ ] 2 weeks	[ ] 1 month

Of course, this might necessitate creating an Attachment folder interface
(in addition to the mail folders and addressbooks) that's intelligent
enough to add a line in the email to show where the file actually went
(remote or local, depending on usage of PC-Pine.)

If this does become a feature, then I won't have to consider Eudora or
Netscape Mail as much when I review email clients next year and my users
won't have ammo to sway my bosses.  ;)  I also understand that this would
be a difficult and complicated task to complete, so my thanks to the Pine
team in advance for consideration.

Robert

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:13:05 -0800 (PST)

There IS an option to remove an attachment from an e-mail without
re-sending it.  Although this is by no means automatic as you'd like, you
may be able to make it so.  Here's what you do:

Open the message and view the attachment list.  Save the attachment to a
file as you would normally.  Press D to delete the attachment.  Press < to
get back to the message body, and press S to save the message.  Choose the
folder it's already in, or another folder if you like.  Confirm that you
want to save the message without its attachments, and then you'll have a
fresh copy of the messase, sans attachments, and the old copy will be
marked Deleted.

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From: Shobhit Saxena <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:10:13 +0530 (IST)

This sure is one way of getting rid of attachments from the messages.
However, i feel some enhancement in this Pine feature is still in order.
If some command analogous to the 'eXpunge' command of the message index
screen is introduced here, it would save all this effort of saving the
message in some folder to get rid of attachments. Then, we can just mark
the attachments as deleted and then eXpunge, so that the attachments are
deleted from the disk files as well. I don't know how feasible it is to
implement this new feature, but it would certainly be very useful.

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From: "N.A. Prakash" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:53:57 +0500 (GMT+0500)

Hi

I think this was brought up on this list before, but I never understood 
the issue properly. Why was Pine designed to load entire folders into 
memory rather than only the From, Date and Subject headers and only load 
messages as they are opened? Would this not avoid slowness in opening 
huge mail folders, especially on not-so-powerful systems where users run 
Pine in telnet sessions (RAM can get filled and there's a lot of swapping 
to disk)? I'm no programmer, so I can't even begin to imagine what this  
might involve. So I'd be grateful for some explanation. 
 
prakash
-- 
N. A. Prakash, Indian Academy of Sciences, Bangalore, India

> when they try to navigate among their folders.  I would tell them to just
....

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From: Bobby Ezell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:12:22 -0800 (PST)

One of the issues on a similar subject - and perhaps this is what is meant
- is with "sent-mail". We often ship large files as attachments and
would rather not have the attachment saved into "sent-mail" with the
message as it fills up disk rather quickly. This would be a nice Setup
option.

Bobby Ezell
RSI Support

> fresh copy of the messase, sans attachments, and the old copy will be

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From: "Eduardo Chappa L." <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:34:36 -0800 (PST)

*** Bobby Ezell ([email-masked]) wrote today:

:) 
:) One of the issues on a similar subject - and perhaps this is what is meant
:) - is with "sent-mail". We often ship large files as attachments and
:) would rather not have the attachment saved into "sent-mail" with the
:) message as it fills up disk rather quickly. This would be a nice Setup
:) option.
:) 
Take a look at the option fcc-without-attachemnts in your configuration
file. I think the version of pine you are using supports this options.

Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

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From: Bobby Ezell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:46:12 -0800 (PST)

Oops, my fault. I had it set wrong and was assuming it still was not
working as I had anticipated. I cleared an old .pinerc and retried and it
works. Thanks.

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From: [email-masked]
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:52:44 -0700 (MST)

Can someone please tell me how to transfer all my email to a floppy disk.

Thanks so much.

AL