Subject: Request: showing flags in message text window

From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 08:14:18 -0400 (EDT)

When I am viewing the text of a message it would be great if the title
line at the top told me what flags were set for that message. So, for
example, instead of this:

 PINE 4.10   MESSAGE TEXT                         Message 45 of 45 60%

It said something like this:

 PINE 4.10   MESSAGE TEXT                    Message 45 of 45  *AD  60%

The *AD tells me that I've flagged it important, I've answered it, and
I've marked it for deletion.

Thanks for considering this!
Nancy

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From: Michael A Crowley <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:41:02 -0400 (EDT)

Comparing 3.96 to 4.10 when reading news via nntp, I'm finding
pine 4.10 often takes 2 to 7 times longer.  This includes both
the initial opening and the time to jump from, say, the last 
message to the first.

I've searched the pine-info list for any mention of this without success
for any mention of this and so am wondering if others had experienced
this also.  I've tried toggling news-approximates-new-status and
news-read-in-newsrc-order without any change.

Here are some conditions:

With a particularly nasty .newsrc entry:
1-4544,4546-4994,4996-4998,5003-5028,5030-5056,5060-5065,5067-5076,5081-5098,5100-5101,5103-5119,5121-5134,5136-5148,5157,5159-5160,5162-5200,5204,5215,5217-5233,5235-5239,5242-5252,5254-5290,5293-5294,5296-5318,5321-5339,5342-5373,5375-5384,5386-5400,5402-5404,5406-5407,5412-5427,5430-5449,5452-5457,5459-5468,5470-5485
the factor was about 7.  Deleting all of the numbers for that newsgroup
made 4.10 faster but 3.96 was still 2 times as fast.

Marking just the last message as "read" (delete) so the .newsrc
entry for that newsgroup read:  1-4427,5485  resulted in identical
performance between 3.96 and 4.10.

I'm wondering if this is an identified performance problem or am
I missing some setting that should be changed.

-mike

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:32:24 -0700 (PDT)

> Thanks for considering this!

Good idea.  Even better yet, it should be specifiable like the
index-format is.  That way we could put FULLSTATUS up there if we wanted,
or customize it however else we wanted.  I just figured out how IMAPSTATUS
works in my index-format, and I think I prefer that to just STATUS since I
use incoming folders and the recent flag actually matters.

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From: Jessica Rasku <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:19:33 -0700 (PDT)

> performance between 3.96 and 4.10.

	I'm wondering if the way that it is looking at the news is somehow
diffrent (one using nntp, the other using imap?).  That seems to make a
huge diffrence on my system (4.10 will have similar types of responces as
you sugest between nntp, and imap).  Does this make sence?  Actually, it
is also similar between local spool, and imap, and pop3 and imap.  (not
that I use pine with pop3).  Is this normal?  I think imap is great, but
the performance hit is significant...

							Jessica

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From: "Eduardo Chappa L." <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:41:55 -0700 (PDT)

Can You tell me where the flags in the following header should be?

PINE 4.10   MESSAGE TEXT  <Incoming-Folders> pine-info  Msg 28 of 32 TOP NEW

  I do not see any space to put the flags. I'd rather have a word in the
header than a symbol. Please don't make this configurable also. This is
almost splitting hairs. You can not convince to a new user of pine that
this makes his/her life easier.

Eduardo
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From: Joe Pruett <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:44:03 -0700 (PDT)

there doesn't appear to be a way to get a backslash followed by an
underscore into a signature file.  i've looked at the code for token
interpolation and it seems like 3 backslashes followed by underscore
should do it, but that didn't work.  i've tried lots of alternatives, but
can't come up with a sequence that works.  have i missed something?  or is
this a bug?

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT)

> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/personal.html
 
These kind of configurable options are not supposed to make a newbie's
life easier.  They're for those of us who are comfortable with Pine and
would make it more useful for ourselves.  Take IMAPSTATUS in the
index-format, for example.  There's no way a newbie would want that, but I
find it quite useful.  Similarly, I would like to be able to configure my
title bar as something like:

VERSION CURRRENTVIEW COLLECTION FOLDER CURRENTMESSAGE POSITION IMAPSTATUS

Does that make sense?

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:25:57 -0700 (PDT)

This is a known bug in Pine 4.10 (and possibly other 4.x versions).  The
Pine guys have told us it will be fixed in the next version.  There's
currently no workaround short of substituting a different character
combination.

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From: "Ed Greshko" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:45:51 +0800

> currently no workaround short of substituting a different character

Of course the "\_" combination in the signature is probably due to the desire to
make a "pretty picture" which takes up lots of space and infuriates quite a few
people.  So maybe the "bug" is a subversive attempt to thwart the evil do'ers.
:-) :-)  (Sorry, I just watched a re-run of "Conspiracy Theory".

Regards,
Ed

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From: "Eduardo Chappa L." <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:39:32 -0700 (PDT)

:)  
:) These kind of configurable options are not supposed to make a newbie's
:) life easier.  They're for those of us who are comfortable with Pine and
:) would make it more useful for ourselves.  Take IMAPSTATUS in the
:) index-format, for example.  There's no way a newbie would want that, but I
:) find it quite useful.  Similarly, I would like to be able to configure my
:) title bar as something like:
:) 
:) VERSION CURRRENTVIEW COLLECTION FOLDER CURRENTMESSAGE POSITION IMAPSTATUS
:) 
:) Does that make sense?
:) 

  Scott, you live in a country where acronyms are an acceptable way of
communication. This is not the case in other countries, where a word is
worth its value. I use IMAPSTATUS since a long time and find it useful even
for a newbie (you are being condescending here). In any case, pine
developers have the last word about it. We'll see in future releases in
your prayers were listened. In my own opinion, it's not worth to waste the
time improving the already excellent presentation of the program.

  And also, don't be condescending to me either, have a nice day, though.

Eduardo

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From: Scott Leibrand <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:26:33 -0700 (PDT)

I'm not sure why you consider that condescending.  Based on answers you've
given in this newsgroup regarding changing Pine's source (and other
things), I definitely wouldn't consider you a newbie (which I define as a
user who's pretty new to a subject and doesn't know much about it).  In my
view, the average student who knows little about computers and just wants
to use Pine for writing e-mail would not want to have to learn about New,
Unread, and Recent flags when a simple New flag would do.

Also, I'm not clear on what you meant by your acronym comment.  The only
acronyms I used in my message were IMAP (Internet Mail Access Protocol)
and RCW in my sig (Revised Code of Washington).  I don't see what either
has to do making Pine's title bar configurable.  And aside from that, I
know that other languages like Spanish use acronyms as well, though
probably not as frequently as English.  One that comes to mind is FARC
(Fuerza Armas Revolutionarias de Columbia - please correct my spelling and
grammar).

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From: Jessica Rasku <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:38:19 -0700 (PDT)

> time improving the already excellent presentation of the program.

	I believe that what was being said is that having things
configurable is important to the people who have used pine for a ``while''
(I have used it myself for around 7 years (not exclusively mind you)).  I
personanly like that things are configurable, I don't think that it is
that large of a ``resource hog'' to make things configurable (putting
unneeded features in is what does that), so, why not make changes
configurable?  

							Jessica

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From: Bino Gopal <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:51:50 -0400 (EDT)

Definitely.  It was a good idea orginally, and making it configurable
would be perfect.  What's the problem with that?  The point about acronyms
is silly anyway as this will change nothing for people who don't want
it...

							BINO