Subject: BCC

From: "K.N." <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:56:42 -0500 (CDT)

I have a rather simple questions that I have not been able to find the
answer to. How do you send a Blind Carbon Copy in Pine 3.95? 

Thanks,

Karen

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From: Chris MacLeod <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:14:54 -0600 (CST)

you have to enable extended headers if they arn't already.
Then hit ^R in the address fields and they will expand to show Bcc, Lcc
and some others.

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, K.N. wrote:

> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:56:42 -0500 (CDT)
> From: K.N. <[email-masked]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
> Subject: BCC
> 

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From: ASHWANTH FERNANDO <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:39:33 +0000 (IST)

Frankly speaking , I too do not know what it means -sending a blind carbon
copy. In fact I am also a novice , I sek help from Pine only. Please
forgive me .      Ashwanth fernando

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From: Steven Ertelt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:22:27 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)

> answer to. How do you send a Blind Carbon Copy in Pine 3.95? 

Ctrl-R gives you additional options. Type that anytime you're in the email
headers to get the Bcc, Newsgroups, FCC, and LCC options.

Steven

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:23:00 +0000

> forgive me .      Ashwanth fernando

First consider "Carbon copy" ...

When you send a message to somebody you may also want to send a copy to one
or more other people "for information": that is, to keep them abreast of
what the real person(s) the message was sent to knows/should be doing.

This is the ordinary "Cc:" header.  [The "carbon" bit comes from those
ghastly sheets of stuff you had to put between pages when typing onto the
top sheet to make a second copy on the sheet below.]

Sometimes you want to send these "for information" copies but not let the
real recipient(s) know you are doing so.  For example you might want to
send an e-mail to someone explaining why they aren't allowed to do a
particular thing, but also SECRETLY send a copy to your boss so he is aware
of your answer and can be prepared if the person escalates the problem.

The keyword is SECRETLY ... you want to send the carbon copy but NOT let
the recipient see you are doing so -- hence a "blind" carbon copy (the
recipient doesn't get to see the "Bcc:" list you used: they only see the
"To:" and "Cc:" lists).

This is the "Bcc:" header.

Pine actually also offers another header called "Fcc:" -- "file carbon
copy".  This lets you save a message you are sending straight into a(n
outgoing) mail folder.

Some people who don't know about "Fcc:" send themselves a copy by putting
their own e-mail address in the "Cc:" header (or, better, the "Bcc:"
header).  This sends your message to the mail server which then sends you a
copy back: this introduces unnecessary delay and places extra load on the
mail server.  Better to save the copy directly (and immediately) to a
folder by giving the folder name in the "Fcc:" header.

Because "Fcc:" is very useful Pine lets you set a default Fcc folder which
is used as a default for every message you send (see the Setup
Configuration screen).  You can even override this for particular entries
in your Address Book if you like!

Cheers,

Mike B-)
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From: Chris MacLeod <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:31:59 -0600 (CST)

Blind Carbon copy allows you to send a message to multiple recipients
without them seeming who else the message was copied to.

For example:
To: [email-masked]
CC: [email-masked]
Bcc: [email-masked]

This will send a message to bob, jane, and steve
Bob and Jane will see that the message was sent to bob and jane

Steve will see that the message was sent to bob and jane but won't see his
name on the list even though he still got it.

Bob and Jane will not know that steve received the message.

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, ASHWANTH FERNANDO wrote:

> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:39:33 +0000 (IST)
> From: ASHWANTH FERNANDO <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: BCC

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From: Stephen Casner <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:14:02 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)

> name on the list even though he still got it.

... and that is sometimes a problem, especially if the To or Cc lists
contain a mailing list address.  Steve may think he's been added to
that mailing list against his wishes.

Some nice mail programs from the past that ran on computers now dead
for all intents and purposes used to include a Bcc header on the copy
of the message that went to Steve so Steve could see that he was
explicitlyl addressed.  Each Bcc recipient would get a Bcc with his
name only.

I wish Pine and other current mailers did this.
							-- Steve

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From: Brad Giaccio <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:29:19 -0500

> I wish Pine and other current mailers did this.

They do if you look at rich headers Bcc is in there so all you need to
do is at it to the default list of headers 

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From: Jeff <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:17:38 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Brad Giaccio wrote:

> > Each Bcc recipient would get a Bcc with his name only.

I believe Steve means that the recipient would see a Bcc header in his
message, indicating that he was Bcc'd on something (and not SPAMmed).
email filtering programs would benefit from this header as well. Pine
(or sendmail (or ...)) would have to add this header onto outgoing
mail, as the receiving mailer or MUA would not know when or how to add
it. I don't have time to look at the RFC for email headers, but maybe
this (outgoing bcc field) behavior was deprecated by someone at some
point. 

-jeff
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From: Stephen Casner <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:35:28 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)

> do is at it to the default list of headers 

I already have Bcc included in my default list of headers displayed
during message composition.  But Pine does not include a Bcc field in
the copy of the outgoing message destined to the recipient in the
Bcc.  That's what I was talking about.

I've Bcc'd this message to you.  Check it out.
							-- Steve

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From: Tobey Rector <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:46:16 -0500 (EST)

Sorry Had to do this.
See Dick, See Dick Run, She Jain, She Jane Fall.

Sorry Thank you..

Tobey Rector (609)227-4428
InterActive Network Systems P.O. Box 1429 Blackwood, NJ 08012
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On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Chris MacLeod wrote:

> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:31:59 -0600 (CST)
> From: Chris MacLeod <[email-masked]>