Subject: Re: UI of Pine on X-Windows vs. MS-Windows?

From: Topher <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:04:08 +0000 ( )

It depends on what you want it to do (as with every program ever).  If you
want a newsreader, another program is probably better.

But if you want an email program, Pine excels in several areas.  The thing
I like most about it is that I can telnet or SSh to my box from anywhere
in the world, and use *my* email client.  Not just the same software, but
the one on my box with my configurations.  That rules.

Also, the aggregate command set is something I haven't seen anywhere else.
Sure, with Eudora you can use the mouse to select multiple messages, but
isn't it easier to have the program do it for you?

Pine *is* powerful, it just doesn't fulfill the desire of every person on
earth.

For example, I'd love to be able to use roles to compose a message from an
address, but at this point it only works when replying.

I'd love a filtering program that will work over IMAP (procmail, elm's
filter and others only work on the local box).  And I mean message sorting
style filtering, not display filtering.

But just because Pine doesn't do these things yet doesn't mean I'm
switching to anything else anytime soon.  Pine just rules.

On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Nancy McGough wrote:

> On 24 Feb 1999, Daniel Sands <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > As the documentation says, it is intended to be a lightweight
> > program with an easy-to-use interface and a few advanced features.  
> 
> Please point me to where the Pine documentation says that. I have
> honestly thought Pine is powerful, but maybe I'm confused and should
> seriously start looking for a better program. Suggestions are welcome.
> 
>  -Nancy
> 
> 

Topher
Tech Support
[email-masked]
Gospel Communications Network

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From: David Dyck <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:31:31 -0800 (PST)

I've seen other applications that have perl embedded in
them?  Has anyone look (or thought) about adding a scripting
language to pine?

I'd prefer perl, but there are probably other scripting
languages.

I know that administration-wise, we have had to wrap pine
inside shell scripts, that may have been avoided if the
system configuration file could have enabled and/or
triggered specific scripting commands.

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:57:13 -0800 (PST)

`#' command from Main menu will do this. Or you can set the feature
confirm-role-even-for-default if you don't mind prompts.

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Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
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From: Shawn Jeffries <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:09:51 -0500 (EST)

>confirm-role-even-for-default if you don't mind prompts.

Would it be possible to enable te same '#' command on any screen
where 'C' (compose) is allowed? What problems would it cause?

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From: Topher <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:09:18 +0000 ( )

> confirm-role-even-for-default if you don't mind prompts.

Excellent, thank you very much!  Perhaps someday it'll work form the
index?  I really hate prompts.  :(

Topher
Tech Support
[email-masked]

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:12:58 -0800 (PST)

Certainly possible. Since roles are new we're trying to move slowly and
figure out how they should work. We sort of threw the # command in for the
people who wanted to compose with a role. We're not ready to make it work
everywhere. We'll continue to think about ways to set a role for new
compositions.

Steve

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 24 Feb 1999 22:29:55 +0100

>> Would it be possible to enable te same '#' command on any screen where
>> 'C' (compose) is allowed? What problems would it cause?
> figure out how they should work. 

Just check mutt's send-hook and folder-hook or Gnus' posting-styles.

> We sort of threw the # command in for the people who wanted to compose
> with a role. We're not ready to make it work everywhere. We'll continue
> to think about ways to set a role for new compositions.

>From the Gnus manual:
|So what if you want a different `Organization' and signature based on what
|groups you post to?  And you post both from your home machine and your work
|machine, and you want different `From' lines, and so on?
|One way to do stuff like that is to write clever hooks that change the
|variables you need to have changed.  That's a bit boring, so somebody came
|up with the bright idea of letting the user specify these things in a handy
|alist.  Here's an example of a `gnus-posting-styles' variable:

(setq gnus-posting-styles
      '((".*"
	 (signature-file "~/.sigfiles/general")
	 (name "Robin S. Socha")
	 ("X-Home-Page" (getenv "WWW_HOME"))
	 (organization "South of Heaven"))
	("^de.comp.os.unix.linux"
	 (signature random-signature-fun))
	((equal (system-name) "socha.net")
	 (signature random-signature-fun))
	(message-this-is-mail
	 (signature-file "~/.sigfiles/mail"))
	(posting-from-work-p
	 (signature-file "~/.sigfiles/work")
	 (address "[email-masked]")
	 (body "You are fired.\n\nSincerely, your boss.")
	 (organization "Control Risks Deutschland GmbH"))
	(".*pine.+:"
	 (address "[email-masked]"))))

Generally, it works on a "per folder(s)" basis, which IMVHO is the Right
Thing. YMMV.

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From: Adi Sieker <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:01:48 +0100 (Westeuropäische Normalzeit)

> style filtering, not display filtering.
Not quite we are using qmail with cyrus impad and procmail.
So you can use procmail to filter IMAP mail.

Regards
   Adi
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