Subject: Listing of all newsgroups available

From: George Gallen <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:11:13 -0500

Can pine pull the list of newsgroups that a server
has available? which could be viewed with an editor,
similar to how IE & Netscape allow you to search
all the newsgroups available, in case you don't know
the exact name....

I'm using 4.05 pine.

Thanks
George Gallen
[email-masked]

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From: Steven Ertelt <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:53:42 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)

I just switched from Unix Pine to PC Pine. ow can I check for new email
other than closing and restarting the program? I've tried using TAB or N
to get to the next email but that doesn't seem to work. I'm sure this has
been asked before, but I'm new to the list -- sorry for a repeat question.

Cheers,
Steven

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From: Daniel Sands <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:21:48 -0700

> all the newsgroups available, in case you don't know

Hmmm, I hit A to add a group, ^T to get the list, then ^W to search.  This
isn't enough?

Anyway, the list of newsgroups is stored in .newsrc if you're using a UNIX
compatible OS.

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From: Daniel Sands <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:26:12 -0700

> been asked before, but I'm new to the list -- sorry for a repeat question.

Yes, I believe that this has been asked before.  However, this group is here
for bug fixes and administrative discussions, as the message that was sent to
you when you joined the list said.  You would do better to ask the question on
the comp.mail.pine newsgroup.

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From: Steven Feinholz <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:48:08 -0800 (PST)

Does anyone know about the following problem I am experiencing:

I am running Pine 4.03 on SunOS 4.1.4.

When viewing an email which is longer than 1 screenful, and I
have hit the spacebar to read farther down into the email, if
I pop a window over the window running Pine, then pop the
Pine window back on top, the email is refreshed back to the
beginning. The current position being read is not held.

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:47:47 +0000

Greetings -

--On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 11:26 am -0700 Daniel Sands <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Yes, I believe that this has been asked before.  However, this group is
> here for bug fixes and administrative discussions, as the message that
> was sent to you when you joined the list said.  You would do better to
> ask the question on the comp.mail.pine newsgroup.

Hmmm.... Whilst this is certainly true and a good point to make, it might
be helpful to also try and answer the question whilst stating it?

SO...

The usual way of getting {UNIX,PC-}Pine to check for new mail is to use the
^L (Control/L) command.  This clears and redraws the screen, and also
checks for new mail in passing.

TAB moves you to the next unseen message within a folder and, if you have
*multiple* incoming folders set up can check successive folders for e-mail.
(This is not the default setup: most people just have one incoming folder
-- the INBOX.)

I _think_ several (3?) "N" commands also result in a mail check, but ^L is
the usual way.

[Disclaimer: This information dates from Pine 3.95 -- we have yet to
upgrade to version 4 (updates were still coming out too fast at my
End-of-Summer-Vacation deadline!).]

Cheers,

Mike B-)

PS.  Of course not everyone has access to Usenet News, and hence may not be
able to access comp.mail.pine.  Perhaps the best solution would be to
re-gateway comp.mail.pine with Pine-Info (the latter being embedded in so
many old help and documentation files), ans set up a new newsgroup for Pine
administrators/developers called, say, Pine-Dev?

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From: Daniel Sands <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:13:23 -0700

> administrators/developers called, say, Pine-Dev?

Yes, this has been suggested before, and I support that idea.  But until they
do, we should still remind people to read the messages that are sent to them
when they join the group.

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From: Steven Ertelt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:52:24 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)

> checks for new mail in passing.

But I don't have Unix any longer. I'm running PC Pine with pop3 email.

Steven

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:15 +0000

--On Fri, Jan 15, 1999 10:52 am -0500 Steven Ertelt <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>> >> I just switched from Unix Pine to PC Pine. ow can I check for new
>> >> email other than closing and restarting the program? I've tried using
>> >> TAB or N to get to the next email but that doesn't seem to work. I'm
>> >> sure this has been asked before, but I'm new to the list -- sorry for
>> >> a repeat question.
>> The usual way of getting {UNIX,PC-}Pine to check for new mail is to use
>> the ^L (Control/L) command.  This clears and redraws the screen, and also

Ummm.... so?

If you notice I _did_ say "The usual way of getting {UNIX,PC-}Pine to
check..."

"{UNIX,PC-}Pine" is fairly standard shorthand which means "each of the
words inside the "{}" pair separated with commas should be expanded here
into the rest of the sentence.  Thus "{UNIX,PC-}Pine" expands to "UNIX
Pine" and "PC-Pine".

That is, the command should work for PC-Pine as well as UNIX Pine.  :-)

Cheers,

Mike B-)

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From: Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:10:48 -0500 (EST)

On 15 Jan 1999, Daniel Sands ([email-masked]) wrote:

> > PS.  Of course not everyone has access to Usenet News, and
> > hence may not be able to access comp.mail.pine.  Perhaps the
> > best solution would be to re-gateway comp.mail.pine with
> > Pine-Info (the latter being embedded in so many old help and
> > documentation files), ans set up a new newsgroup for Pine
> Yes, this has been suggested before, and I support that idea.

Yes, I'd like this too, but I'd rather call the techie pine
mailing list pine-tech and have it linked to a newsgroup call
comp.mail.pine.tech.

> But until they do, we should still remind people to read the
> messages that are sent to them when they join the group.

Yes and doing it nicely (as is miraculously happening now) is the
way to do IMHO!

-- 
 
Nancy McGough         http://www.ii.com/         Infinite Ink
-= Sent via PINE: Power Internet News & Email for Win/Unix =-

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:07:43 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)

The issue is not Unix Pine vs. PC Pine...
The key piece of information is that you are accessing a POP server, not
an IMAP server.  New mail checking is inherent in IMAP, whereas POP was
designed not for online access but for offline "periodic download and
delete" access.

Pine does not at this time support offline operation, and does not support
POP's requirement to effectively terminate the connection and re-login
each time you want to check for new mail.

New mail checking is one of many reasons to try to get your ISP to support
IMAP... IMAP use will reduce the load on their mail servers since
re-authentication is only done once per session rather than once every few
minutes for new mail checking.

I haven't tried this, but as a hack you could consider configuring PC Pine
to have a local "incoming archive folder" as its default inbox, and setup
your ISP account as an "incoming message folder"... then you could hit TAB
to visit the POP account, opening a new connection and thereby checking
for new mail.  You could further configure Pine to automatically move the
messages from that incoming folder to the archive folder (aka your ersatz
inbox) after you have read them...

-teg

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From: Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:56:03 -0500 (EST)

On 15 Jan 1999, Terry Gray ([email-masked]) wrote:
> to have a local "incoming archive folder" as its default inbox, 

One problem with this, which I have tried, is that when you are
in one of your local folders and try to send a message you get
this msg from Pine:
  
[ Send requires open remote folder. Postpone until a folder is opened. ]

So, it's best to have your inbox-path be a remote folder if you
ever plan to send messages while in a local folder. Another idea,
wich is essentially the same as Terry's, is to use

 incoming-archive-folders

to specify a folder where messages from your POP inbox are
automatically moved to. Let us know if this works!

Question/Request to Pine Developers: The reason that a remote
folder needs to be open is for construction of the
Sender/X-Sender/X-X-Sender header, right? How about if Pine
asks the user if she wants Pine to connect to a remote folder
in situations like this, e.g., prompt with something like this:

Send requires open remote folder: postpone, cancel, or open 
 remote folder

^G Get Help   ^F Open Remote Folder   ^O Postpone
^C Cancel   

Just an idea...

Thanks,
Nancy