Subject: Thanks to all who helped me !

From: Nayan Jain <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:52:32 +0530 (IST)

Hi all(these all means only people who have helped me)

Its me Nayan here who had asked some questions regarding PC-PINE problem. 
I am glad that i am on this list, and after some time i am just going to
be a was on this list. I am glad that i learnt a good lesson here. The
lesson is "There still are stupids,idiots,jerks in this universe, and by
mistake they have landed on earth and have joined this PINE LIST". I dont
know what people (the one who said all crap tp me when i asked for a help)
think about yourselves.Are you really that smart that you can answer each
and everything and know everything under the sky ?

People(rather stupids) like K.W. are maniacs and should be thrown out of
this list. This kind of behaviour is maligning PINE's impression on
public. 

I think the problems and questions i asked were justified and if any one
of you felt that it was out of topic here then could have directed me to
proper source rather than ridiculing...abusing.

Anyway, I mjust want to thank to all the guys who have helped me here, but
now i have dropped the idea of installing PC-PINE, nothing more is
required from PINE after these discussion.

Still i have a request that you can unsubscribe people of type K.W. from
this list and you should.

Anyway Thanks again !
Nayan Jain 

" minds are like parachutes -- they function best when open. "

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From: Ian Hall-Beyer <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:20:27 -0700 (MST)

> this list. This kind of behaviour is maligning PINE's impression on

This is why a number of us (probably the majority) have him going direct
to /dev/null via procmail.

His posts are hardly missed.

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 08 Dec 1998 17:29:34 +0100

>> People (rather stupids) like K.W. are maniacs and should be
>> thrown out of this list. 

Darling, people (rather clevers) like K.W. are admins who keep the net
you don't even begin to understand up and running. People (rather
technicals) like K.W. see to it that hypocritical, greedy, malevolent,
vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome,
despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible,
criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless,
idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful,
demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic,
fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless,
illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking,
devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic,
fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased,
suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, mindless,
clueless, dyslexic, boring, pathetic, obsolete, dim, crazy, weird,
dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic,
jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing,
arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive,
socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good lusers
can abuse it.

>> This kind of behaviour is maligning PINE's impression on public.
>
> This is why a number of us (probably the majority) have him going
> direct to /dev/null via procmail.

Your "majority" - empirical evidence gathered by grepping cmp and this
list - is too stooopid to even spell procmail correctly. Which is why
this mailing list was made subscriber-only and its purpose "admin
problems". Now tell me, Ian, what does a luser PC-Pine problem have to
do on this list?

> His posts are hardly missed.

Even your flames are boring, Ian. And: your actively encouraging the
abuse of this list. You know, Ian, I think this is not a Good
Thing. Do you?

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From: Yasholomew Yashinski <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:21:53 -0500 (EST)

On 8 Dec 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:

> Darling,
Problems addressing her be "Nayan"?

> people (rather clevers) like K.W. are admins who keep the net
[other fine things expressing Ken]
> socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good lusers

Don't you mean you are TRYING to EXPLAIN Ken?

> problems". Now tell me, Ian, what does a luser PC-Pine problem have to
If you noticed the > You might have noticed that was my comments, not
Ians, in which you can address me as Mr. Yashinkski if you'd like a reply.
However being inexperienced with pine-info, You should note that
name-calling, is not tolerated on this list

> abuse of this list. You know, Ian, I think this is not a Good

Again, my negligent friend, if Ian wrote this, perhaps it should be
directed to him. Flaming the admin-wannabies like Ken, for example, is
probably a good thing, however should be done off list.
Of course I run a server, a few actually, I guess that means I am "techie"
enough to remain on this list, as you seem to think you are moderator. As
well, anyone using localhost as smtp, must be a server admin, no?

 As I said before, if you would like to reply to me, and me to actually
read it, you can address it to Mr. Yashinski. It can also have "luser" 
and any other of you little names grep'd out if you want a response.
Also note I Cc'd you, to show my appreciation for your excellent knowledge
of names.
  Believe it or not, I admire you and Ken for your knowledge in Pine,
however until you can learn to channel it in a professional way, as
opposed to your normal drunk-kick antics, perhaps you should remain
unsubscribed, like Ken promised.

..Yashy 
"...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and<BR>
the Ugly)."
(By Matt Welsh)

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From: Timothy J Luoma <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:49:15 -0500

Author:	Yasholomew Yashinski <[email-masked]>
	Date:	Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:21:53 -0500 (EST)
	ID:	 
<[email-masked]>

> name-calling, is not tolerated on this list

Um.... Yashy....  Robin has been on the list a LOT longer than you.

And who said anything about what is "not tolerated" on the list?

Who decides that?

We can't even agree that off-topic posts are not tolerated, and now you, a  
newbie, want to dictate to a long-time member?

You're not making a great impression by trying to put down Robin as  
"inexperienced" since he has far more knowledge about PINE than you or me.

TjL

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From: Ken Woods <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:41:27 -0500 (EST)

You people need to get a grip.  

I've HONESTLY _tried_ to let this stuff die down.
However, you are all feeding off each others "KW is an asshole" messages.
Pretty soon, I'm going to be the cause for all of the problems on the
planet, as well as the reason that pine doesn't have "XYZ" features.

Guess what people???
I've posted exactly TWO messages since Friday, and both of those were
helpful. 

However, still, the major topic of conversation seems to be "How big of an
asshole is Ken Woods" [1]   Get over it already!!!

Those of you that are long time members know this pattern, as we've been
thru it before.

1. lusers get on my nerves
2. I vent. [2]
3. Everybody complains and calls me an asshole [3]
4. I stop venting.
5. lusers start asking stupid questions again.
(goto step 1)

The whole cycle takes about 6 months to go thru.
It's been happening for years. It's like the sun and the moon.  There's
nothing you can do to stop it.  It's going to happen.  Don't fight it.
I'm not going to change, and neither is the pine-info list.

Bascially, just stop. I've said that I was going to leave the list alone,
and try to be constructive.  

procmailing the whole domain, along with 2500 users, is NOT the answer.

-- 
Ken Woods
[email-masked]

[1] For those of you that don't know, that's a self-proclamation...see
www.kens.com for details

[2] Me venting, includes profanity.  Profanity stirs emotion.  That's my
ONLY purpose in using it.

[3] See [1]