Subject: Auto respond

From: Debora Ervin <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:30:33 -0400

Hello, 

I need help. Is there any way that pine can allow you to automatically send
out mail when you receive mail. For example, if Im out of town and I want
my clients to know that I'm out of town and will respond to there email
when I return, by a reply messages being sent out automatically.

Does anyone understand what I'm asking for?

Thanks
Debora
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From: Ken Woods <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:16:33 -0400 (EDT)

man procmail
man vacation

--
Ken Woods
kwoods<at>kens.com

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From: "Aaron S. Hawley" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:08:05 -0400 (EDT)

haven't i heard this question once before?  or maybe it's twelve times.

Aaron S. Hawley
[email-masked]
802.656.7396
http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley
University of Vermont
Home: Vergennes, VT, US
Pine 3.96 E-Mailer on UVM Zoo Unix Cluster
http://www.washington.edu/pine

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From: Ken Woods <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:44:08 -0400 (EDT)

I'm stuck in a /really/ bad movie:

"Attack of the way-too-fucking-long-sig-file!!"

C'mon, ya bunch of losers.  4 lines.  It's accepted.  Be a dear, take all
that useless info out.

--
Ken Woods
kwoods<at>kens.com

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Aaron S. Hawley wrote:

(snip, bitch, bitch, bitch)

> [email-masked]

(snip, chick needs to man procmail)

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From: Ken Woods <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:47:53 -0400 (EDT)

And for christ's sake, sig-dashes.
Love 'em, learn 'em, use them.

--
Ken Woods
kwoods<at>kens.com

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From: "Ed Greshko" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:27:53 +0800

> Love 'em, learn 'em, use them.

And, if you really want to get "picky", why not trim the useless fat out of
your replies?  :-)

Ed

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:04:17 -0500 (CDT)

>From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:27:53 +0800

>And, if you really want to get "picky", why not trim the useless fat out of

As long as we are picking on each other, would all of you users of Microsoft
products please mark your messages US-ASCII if you aren't sending any 8-bit
characters? Or at least stop making Bill Gates rich till he complies with
standards and best practices?

Hm: New job? I didn't know you were an epidemiologist for the Centers for
Disease Control?

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:00:08 +0200

Quoting Adam H. Kerman ([email-masked]):

Your reply string is too long. Luser.

> >>And for christ's sake, sig-dashes.  Love 'em, learn 'em, use them.
> 
> characters? 

And the RFC for that would be?

> Or at least stop making Bill Gates rich till he complies with

How about making the NRA rich and solving the Gates problem once and for all?

Ro"hahajustjoking"bin

-- 
Robin S. Socha
<http://www.kens.com/robin/>

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From: "Ed Greshko" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:56:47 +0800

> Hm: New job? I didn't know you were an epidemiologist for the Centers for

You seem to be unaware of the usage of the Smiley Face ":-)" in an email
message.  That should clue you into the fact that my comment was not
intended to pick on anyone.  If it seemed that way to you, then I apologize.

In any event, I was wrong.  If someone has complaints or comments about an
individual's style or email they should do it off-line and not on this or
any other list.  (Indeed, I am fully aware that I'm violating my on tenet
with this message.)  Also, common courtesy should tell people that yelling
and swearing at others just isn't going to bring about the desired results.
Neither will any kind of personal attacks.

BTW, Robin is correct on the charset labeling issue.

I will not respond to any additional messages concerning this "topic" on
this list.  So, please feel free to flame away and have the last word.

Regards,
Ed

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From: Steve Ekwall <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:34:21 -0600 (MDT)

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:
-snip-
     Quoting Adam H. Kerman ([email-masked]):
     Your reply string is too long. Luser. <-- is that Loser? german 2
     english? (generic luu :)
     > >From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
-snip-     

     
     
     Ro"hahajustjoking"bin

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Hi Robin  (nra might have use for the monie$ :) grin..

    tried your www.kens.com/robin address, and we'd need a password, can I
get one from you, If, Im _not_ an MS lover of bill gates and just recieved
my first copy of redhat linux 5.0 (understood 5.1 is better)... send off
line to avoid band-width and non-list clutter.

thanks
-=se=-
steve ekwall 
mailto: [email-masked]

p.s. another path to point me to if not??

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:13:03 +0200

>>>From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>

DuDE, your mail was totally fscked up citationwise. I strongly recommend that
thou readest thy fuckynge manual.

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> is that Loser? german 2 english? (generic luu :)

No, it's Korn Speak, ML-revised edition 5.3:

luser /loo'zr/ /n./ 
A user; esp. one who is also a loser. This word was coined around 1975 at
MIT.  Under ITS, when you first walked up to a terminal at MIT and typed
Control-Z to get the computer's attention, it printed out some status
information, including how many people were already using the computer; it
might print "14 users", for example.  Someone thought it would be a great
joke to patch the system to print "14 losers" instead.  There ensued a great
controversy, as some of the users didn't particularly want to be called
losers to their faces every time they used the computer.  For a while
several hackers struggled covertly, each changing the message behind the
back of the others; any time you logged into the computer it was even money
whether it would say "users" or "losers".  Finally, someone tried the
compromise "lusers", and it stuck.  Later one of the ITS machines supported
<CODE>luser</CODE> as a request-for-help command. ITS died the death in
mid-1990, except as a museum piece; the usage lives on, however, and the
term `luser' is often seen in program comments.  

> get one from you, 

Sure. It's to be found on <http://www.xxxpasswords.org/>. Or maybe you should
try UID: "DeAHtiHS", Password: "BofH".

> If, Im _not_ an MS lover of bill gates and just recieved my first copy of
> redhat linux 5.0 (understood 5.1 is better)... 

5.0? You should consider generously donating it to your local software museum
(would look nice beside NT 5 and Win98).

> send off line to avoid band-width and non-list clutter.

Just like this mail, I presume? Great. I love this list. It's become just what
we all dreamt of when we started whining "we want to disrupt the gateway to
comp.mail.pine and have a list for complex technical problems" and the Pine
Gods(tm) spoke unto us and said "yeah, right, here you go and stuff".

> p.s. another path to point me to if not??

Sendero Luminoso? 42? Hell?

Damn! It's FRIDAY again. Here's a tricky and probably pine-related question
for my friends across the Atlantic: how come that you let loose an assorted
collection of braindamaged power-lusers EACH AND EVERY FRIDAY? I mean, Friday
sucks, anyway, so why make it even worse? *argl*

Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha
<http://www.kens.com/robin/>
Cc: me and I'll chop your head off...

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From: Debora Ervin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:08:56 -0400

Look, I'm not sure what you guys are talking about in this discussion, but
I'm sorry that it got tied up in my question. I'm new to this discussion
group and I sorry if I offended someone by asking a questions that has been
asked several times before. I thought this was the place to come if you had
questions about using pine, which I'm very new to as well, and would like
to use this program in a productive manner.

I would like to Thank you Greg for all your help and patience with me.
Also, all the others who where so helpful.

And Aaron thank you for making the new people feel so welcome......

Debora

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From: Jan Kalin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:17:54 +0200

> And Aaron thank you for making the new people feel so welcome......

I have an idea how we could reduce the chance of repeated questions. I
don't remember exactly (it was some time ago) but when you register
yourself in the pine-info mailing list you get a confirmation letter,
right?

Why not put the FAQ into the letter. Maybe not the whole FAQ, just the
RFAQ (Really FAQ :) on this list, i.e., the ones that prompt 'Oh no, not
again!' reactions.

Cheers,
Jan

-- 
 Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English)
 <A HREF="http://www.zag.si/~jank/"> contact information </A>

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From: Ted Rolle <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT)

Right on, Deb!

We're an ego-centric bunch, aren't we?  To suppose that you know what's
been asked before.  We get that way from living in our parent's basements
and watching Star Trek reruns.

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:15:36 +0200

> On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Debora Ervin wrote:

(endless miles of quotes) 
> yourself in the pine-info mailing list you get a confirmation letter,

You're pretty clever...

> Why not put the FAQ into the letter. 

Groovy. May I suggest adding the sources for XFree 3. They are quite
entertaining on long winter nights.

> Maybe not the whole FAQ, just the RFAQ (Really FAQ :) on this list, i.e.,
> the ones that prompt 'Oh no, not again!' reactions.

Let me think... ummm... yeah! Great idea. Too bad you never read that first
letter you were sent, isn't it?

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:09:26 +0200

Quoting Debora Ervin ([email-masked]):

> Look, I'm not sure what you guys are talking about in this discussion, 

Technical, you know, stuff and, like, netiquette and maybe even, ummm... pine? 

> but I'm sorry that it got tied up in my question. 

Ok.

> I'm new to this discussion group 

It's a mailing list. What is commonly referred to by Wintendo lusers as a
"discussion group" is actually the usenet newsgrop <news:comp.mail.pine>. Some
time ago, it was agreed upon that this mailing list be the place for technical
questions (of which yours is none at all).

> and I sorry if I offended someone by asking a questions that has been asked
> several times before. 

Nice try, but *we* have got used to this move over the years. The correct
statement would have been: "I've read the Q&A, the users guide and some of the
technical notes. Then I got myself Nancy McGough's filtering mail FAQ
thankyouverymuch". See the difference?

> I thought this was the place to come if you had questions about using pine,
> which I'm very new to as well, and would like to use this program in a
> productive manner.

Good idea. Grab a copy of the documentation (which is good and easy to
understand and *very* clear re: your "question") and you're halfway there.
 
> And Aaron thank you for making the new people feel so welcome......

s/Aaron/Ken/g

Ro"itsfridayagain..."bin

-- 
Robin S. Socha
<http://www.kens.com/robin/>
I said DON'T FSCKING Cc: ME...

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:20:44 -0500 (CDT)

>From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:00:08 +0200

>Your reply string is too long. Luser.

Phbbbbt. I like my reply string; people should include dates.

>And the RFC for that would be?

It would be a "best practices" to indicate that a message contains no 8-bit
characters when it really doesn't have any 8-bit characters.

It's a concept like, oh, use of 2 dashes/blank to delimit a .sig.

I can't believe you would defend Bill Gates.

>>Or at least stop making Bill Gates rich till he complies with standards and
>>best practices?

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From: Debora Ervin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:37:18 -0400

Thanks Robin for all the valuable information. Man, u tech guys are way
over my head. What Such Smart people u r. I'm very impressed Robin, but
then again Im easily impressed, so that's not a big deal.

This discussion forum....was listed as a pine discussion group...(which to
me means, discussion about pine, thats anything about pine). I could wrong,
be I dont remember seeing a statement saying, (new users not allowed).

But again....thanks for that information....I'm beginning to like this
group after all.

Debora

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From: "Aaron S. Hawley" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:37:26 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

> to use this program in a productive manner.

they also put information on the web with common and old questions about
using pine.

> And Aaron thank you for making the new people feel so welcome......

what i really don't get is why is it that you wanted to know how to
automatic reply, but when i sent a message to you (or the discussion list
did) your company sent an automatic reply.

oh well

love ya
aaron

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From: Jeff <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:39:53 -0500 (CDT)

> Phbbbbt. I like my reply string; people should include dates.

Speaking of reply strings, is there a way to customize them in Pine?
I didn't see it in 'Main - Setup - Config', or the "Pine Questions and
Answers", or the "Pine Technical Notes" on the uwashington server.

What I'm looking for is something like some news readers have where
you can have Pine quote a string at the beginning of replies, such as:
On <date here>, <name> pounded furiously at the keyboard, thus producing:
<indented text>.

I'm using version 3.94.
----
Jeff Schaller			[email-masked]
UNIX System Administrator	Phone:  (316) 946-7255
Learjet Inc			Fax:    (316) 946-2809

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From: Debora Ervin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:52:14 -0400

Well Aaron, for your information, I was using Outlook Express, but my
system is not up 24 hours to download my email into outlook express, so
that the auto reply would work. But as you know already, if I had it in
pine, where my email actual is sent, then I would not have to worry about
downloading it, in order for the auto reply to work.

Does that clear up confusion for you?

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:56:30 -0500 (CDT)

>From: Debora Ervin <[email-masked]>
>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:37:18 -0400

>be I dont remember seeing a statement saying, (new users not allowed).

New users are most welcome. Discussion about pine is most welcome. But
questions that are asked repeatedly are not. They drive out the discussion.

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From: Ken Woods <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:26:47 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote:
> Debra "I'mtoocluelesstoman" wrote:

Exactly.

It's too bad the lusers don't read (ie, understand) what I write.

--
Ken Woods
kwoods<at>kens.com

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From: Bob Rasmussen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:37:41 -0700 (PDT)

> It's too bad the lusers don't read (ie, understand) what I write.

Or maybe you are too clueless to detect sarcasm.

What? Flamers lacking in social skills? Couldn't be!  (sarcasm)

Regards,
....Bob Rasmussen,   President,   Rasmussen Software, Inc.

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From: Darren Henderson <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:40:28 -0400 (EDT)

> be I dont remember seeing a statement saying, (new users not allowed).

The "mailing list" is for discussions about pine, thats the whole point
really.... It could certainly be said better then it has been. People get
tired of repeating it and reading it though... The fact is that if people
even thought about it a little bit they would probably realize that pine
is NOT likely to be an autoresponder. Other then the fact that pine deals
with mail it has nothing in common with autoresponders. (of course I
suppose you could always cobble somethign together with expect:)

The rfaq idea really isnt that bad but it should be sent from the list  as
an introductory message to new subscribers. Just detail the hot button
issues...

* pine is not an autoresonder. dont ask about making it look like one

* pine requires the mail spool directory to have 1777 for permissions

etc etc...there really arent that many of them. Hit to the top 10 or so
and that would probably help some. People frequently ask rather then
reading a bit, this might head off a portion of those.

Of course....ignoring these questions would also work... ;)

______________________________________________________________________
Darren Henderson                              [email-masked]

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From: Debora Ervin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:12:39 -0400

>Of course....ignoring these questions would also work... ;)

Thanks Darren,

I was not looking for Pine to be an autoresponder....I need it to auto
reply to my clients email only. 

Thanks

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From: Ken Woods <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:32:57 -0400 (EDT)

> questions that are asked repeatedly are not. They drive out the discussion.

lusers:

umm...Frequently Asked Questions?

FAQ???

http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq
http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/index.html

*sigh*

--
Ken Woods
kwoods<at>kens.com
And goddammnit, quit cc'ing me.

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From: Steve Ekwall <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:29:11 -0600 (MDT)

> or. another path to point me to if not??

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Hi Ro(sorry it's frisday for u)bin
     
Never mind, sorry I asked, actually got through anyway last night and got
all the .professional*.english,.misc.interests.afterstep.xemacs htmls 
and will read-this weekend. hope to return a smarter lusor as you say.

just thought we could learn a little more from you
thanks anyway.
-=se=-