Subject: How can I get rid of it ?

From: Junichi Saito <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:08:52 +0200 (CEST)

After compiling Pine 4.0 on a Linux, I have noticed that the
following message is created by imapd in each folder I visit :

 From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Jul 16 10:34:08 1998
 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:34:08 +0200 (CEST)
 From: Mail System Internal Data <[email-masked]>
 Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
 X-IMAP: 0900578028 0000000008
 Status: RO

 This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
 a real message.  It is created automatically by the mail system software.
 If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
 with the data reset to initial values.

This may well be a normal default behavior. What is some what annoying for
me is that the same message gets created also in my INBOX folder
(/var/mail/junichi) so each time I log in, I now see a message saying 'You
have mail' even if there is in fact no real message there. 

I would like to know how I can disable this feature. 

junichi

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From: "C. v. Stuckrad" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:22:36 +0200 (MET DST)

> I would like to know how I can disable this feature. 

Hi!

Sorry, but I believe we'll have to forget pine...
Use 'pop3' add 'ssh' for security, or use the combination
of SSL and POP3 for security and simply forget pine.

Our users are complaining about that 'forever-1-mail'
too, and as pine4 is broken anyway, we'll have to switch
to 'mutt' and 'pop'.

Stucki (irritated admin and postmaster, using mutt from now on)

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From: Shane Wegner <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:59:46 -0700 (PDT)

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It will either require that the folks working on pine pull it violently
out of the pine code or modify login, finger, all pop3 and imap servers,
emacs, elm, mail, mailx, and possible fetchmail.  I'm probably missing
some.  Which is more feasable?  The first message in the folder isn't a
bad idea but not in inbox eh.

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From: Shane Wegner <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:03:30 -0700 (PDT)

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I'm not sure abandoning pine is necessary.  All programs have bugs.  If
there is a bug in sendmail, you don't necessarily stop using it.  I do
think it would be a good idea if there was a patch made available to pull
it out before the release of pine 4.01 because many systems do use pine
and I'm sure it's causing alot of havoc out there.  I looked at the code
and it looks very difficult to pull out.  I don't think it's as easy as
just pulling out the fprintf lines that are responsible.

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