Subject: Argh... Gettint rid of the FOLDER INTERNAL DATA

From: Henrik Edlund <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:15:10 +0200 (CEST)

I have searched the docs and the Pine online help and looked in the
config. I can't find any option to turn off this devil's invention "FOLDER
INTERTAL DATA". It's screwing up all my other mail applications. Why must
Pine 4.00 do this. I thought that when I upgraded I would get a better
product. Now it looks like I have to go back to 3.96...
Can anyone enlighten me if I missed anything... Please!!!

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From: Tim DiLauro <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:22:47 -0400 (EDT)

> Can anyone enlighten me if I missed anything... Please!!!

Can you be more specific?

Why does it trouble you so? Can't your other applications ignore it?
Which applications are having problems?

-timmo

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From: Henrik Edlund <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:50:21 +0200 (CEST)

> Why does it trouble you so? Can't your other applications ignore it?

No.

> Which applications are having problems?

wmmail, BitchX, asmail, and all other programs that tells you if you got
mail. These now tell me that I got one mail. Ok I can ignore it, but it's
annoying when I don't want it. I want to see the "No Mail" icon instead of
the spinning letter. Also BitchX (IRC client) tells me that I got one
unread mail waiting all the time. I don't think I want to patch all these
program just because Pine insist on having that stupid INTERNAL DATA.

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:40:26 -0500 (CDT)

>From: Henrik Edlund <[email-masked]>
>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:15:10 +0200 (CEST)

>I can't find any option to turn off this devil's invention "FOLDER INTERTAL
>DATA". It's screwing up all my other mail applications.

There's been a ton of discussion on comp.mail.pine and in the mailing list since
the new version was released. Just read the messages for information.

I don't believe you that it's screwing up other mail applications, given that
it's formatted like an ordinary mail message. Can you demonstrate this?

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From: Henrik Edlund <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:48:39 +0200 (CEST)

> the new version was released. Just read the messages for information.

I have no news access.

> it's formatted like an ordinary mail message. Can you demonstrate this?

They are reporting I have 1 mail when I have none!

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From: Tim DiLauro <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:13:08 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

> They are reporting I have 1 mail when I have none!

This, I believe, is a valid point.  There are performance implications as
well. 

I wonder why UW-IMAP doesn't use a separate companion file to track the
info in that "INTERNAL DATA" mail message.  The UW IMAP4 server versions
that use this format are considerably slower when batch storing messages. 
I suspect (but definitely have NOT proven!)  that the internal data
rewriting is involved.

Can anyone enlighten me/us on this?

Thanks.

-timmo

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From: David Dyck <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:31:31 -0700

Thanks for pointing me to comp.mail.pine, I had forgotten
about it.

I have used pine for quite a while now, but it is not
the only way I access my email.

I don't like the FOLDER INTERNAL DATA message

  I could perhaps learn to live with it if the message
   were more descriptive.  
     When I first encountered the message, I couldn't
     determine 'who' put it in my mailbox.

        I would like the message to include 
          "This message placed in you inbox by Pine 4.00" as this would
        have helped me determine where the message was comming from.

        I would like the message to include a pointer to the technical
        documentation, a web page or some specification that stated in
        more detail why the header was there, and what would happen if
        it were deleted, and how it was being used...

        I would like to have this message documented in the technical
        documentation, as I couldn't find any reference to this user
        visable change anywhere in the technical documentation.

        I to would like to be able to turn of the message, or is
        pine itself using the data in the header - since the documention
        doesn't stated that it is used by pine, and it's off in
        the imap side of the sources, and I access my mailbox as
        a mailbox file over NFS, I couldn't determine in a few minutes
        if it was really required.

after scanning comp.mail.pine I see a few people that state
that the MUA shouldn't be accessing the spool file, but
that is what I have been doing for ages, and have been
successful without this cryptic message.

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From: Paul Kraus <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:45:17 -0400

Just for comparison, here is what the Sun IMAP server puts at the head
of our mail files :

> From <IMAP4.psuedo.sims> Mon Jul 13 14:39:22 1998
> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:39:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Postmaster
> Subject: IMAP4 Server Data-DO NOT DELETE
> Content-Length: 92
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Status: RO
> X-IMAP: 884285959 19382
> 
> This message is from the IMAP server.
> VERY IMPORTANT Server DATA.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--END+PSEUDO--

sims is Solstice Internet Mail Server (Sun's product name)

I wonder if the X-IMAP information is transportable amoung IMAP servers
?

I got this by head'ing my mail file. I use IMAP to access it so I never
see thin in my mail client (the server never serves it out).

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From: Darren Henderson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:04 -0400 (EDT)

> successful without this cryptic message.

I've seen those as well and can't fathom why they think that should be the
case. Its a fallacy as far as I can tell. 

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From: Steve Ekwall <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:17:33 -0600 (MDT)

No.

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I'm running 3.96, so I can't try this, but has anyone tired just V/reading
the message and leaving it alone? (or even "A"nswer it) and not deleting
it to stop your spinning letter? 

bandaid on a broken arm I know if it works <g>
just hopeful thinking i guess :)
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