Subject: Ken's strange approach

From: Mike Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:45:12 -0500 (CDT)

It was painful but amusing to watch the greatest explosion of stupidity
and arrogance that I've ever seen on a mailing list.  The original
question was perfectly reasonable and Ken Wood's responses did not answer
the original question.  Why would Ken even send his message?  If Ken wants
people to know who he is, he's succeeded.  I saw his web page at
www.kens.com.  It looks like he wants to get a job.  If asked, what could
I say now about Ken?  He knows a lot, but not enough, and he's too
arrogant and mean to help people with their computing problems:  Don't
hire Ken.  Congratulations Ken, you've made a complete fool of yourself in
front of everyone.

Mike

Michael B. Miller, M.S., Ph.D., M.P.E.
Department of Psychology
210 McAlester Hall
University of Missouri--Columbia
Columbia, MO 65211
 Phone: (573) 882-5671
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From: "Colin J. Raven" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 13:36:02 -0700 (PDT)

If anyone has procmail set up, this is the perfect way to silently banish
Ken, his rantings, profanity, and generally offensive behavior...

	  :0:
        *^From:[email-masked]
        /dev/null
Then, I did some reading (Ken, it's called RTFM OK?) and came up with the
following, which is probably *the* correct way to deal with the Kens of
this world...tank their mail, and autorespond 'em, informing them of said
fact!

    # This recipe will generate an autoreply header and bounce this
    # nastygram back
    # to the sender.
    # Note the lack of a c flag which means that we never see this mail.

    :0
    * ^From: [email-masked]
    | (formail -brt ; \
      echo "I'm ignoring your mail because you are offensive." ;\
      echo "Your email was automatically rejected by Procmail." ;\
      echo "Sooner or later, you will learn humility." ;\
      echo ""; \
      echo "                                 -me" ;\
      ) | $SENDMAIL -oi -t
## This recipe was created by Joe Gross ([email-masked]) and can be found
## in the public domain at;
## http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/procmail/bounce.html

Oh well, back to the farm. The stables need cleaning, and the tractor is
making starnge noises. It may require some maintenance :-)
-Colin

>    web: http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/

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Colin J. Raven
HDS Lab, Inc. Operations Group
Costa Mesa, CA  |  Harrison, NY
(714) 428 0300  |  (914) 835 2200

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From: Ken Woods <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:45:59 -0400 (EDT)

> hire Ken.  Congratulations Ken, you've made a complete fool of yourself in

*/1 * * * * root echo " " |mail [email-masked]

Simon Travaglias, where are you when we need you????

--
Ken Woods
kwoods<at>kens.com

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From: "Matthew N. Dodd" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT)

> Simon Travaglias, where are you when we need you????

Ken, I'd post from the bofh.net address if I cared enough about this
reply.

What you ahve suggested is a denial of service attack which probably
violates the terms of service agreement you signed with your provider.

While your actions are fairly childish and silly, I'm sure the sysadmin of
your site would be able to show you a sufficiently BOFHly response to your
childishness.

Grow up.

-- 
/* 
   Matthew N. Dodd		| A memory retaining a love you had for life	
   [email-masked]		| As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to
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From: Jim Sander <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:20:52 -0400 (EDT)

> violates the terms of service agreement you signed with your provider.

   From the looks of things, he probably *is* the sysadmin of his site,
and in fact for several other sites on the Verio network. It looks like
they buy their bandwidth from digex, which has an acceptable use policy
strictly forbidding such things- so just forward his message to
[email-masked], and/or [email-masked] (I am about to do so) and we'll
see what *they* have to say about that.

   Even more effective though, would be a letter to the higher-ups at
verio.net that tell them exactly what kind of employee they have. (unless
he made up all that stuff on his resume of course) How's this... If enough
people write, it *will* be noticed.

-----
Greetings,

   I've been assessing several companies to provide my site with internet
services, and was strongly considering yours- that is until I came across
postings from one of your employees named Ken Woods.

<quote some of his witty banter here>

   His childishness and obscenity have caused me to remove your company
from the list of those I was considering. I hope that he is not typical
of people you employ, but I can not take the risk that you would tolerate
this illegal, unethical activity at your site perpetrated by one of your
workers. I just wanted to make this known to you.

Sincerely,
<x>
-----

   I'm pretty tired of this discussion. If we ignore him, eventually he'll
go away. If we have to waste too much more time talking about things no
related to pine I suggest we do some mass-mailing of our own and see how
things shape up then.

-=Jim=-

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From: "Matthew N. Dodd" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:19:16 -0400 (EDT)

> see what *they* have to say about that.

*sigh*

Why do you think Verio is only a Digex customer?  From where I'm sitting
it looks like they buy lines from a number of tier 2 providers.

Regardless, taking action before he actually commits any attack is
pointless as its fairly difficult to prove intent.

Ken probably knows better than to actually do these sorts of things.

I reacted strongly because someone threatening to launch a DOS attack
should be taken seriously.

> verio.net that tell them exactly what kind of employee they have.
> (unless he made up all that stuff on his resume of course) How's
> this... If enough people write, it *will* be noticed.

Again, Ken is doing this on his dime and with his hardware and net
connectivity.  If he's good at what he does is Verio going to care that
they have an asshole working for them?  Probably not.  At no point did Ken
represent Verio in this discussion.

Just let it drop; filter Ken if you can't resist being insulted when he
mouths off.

All this fuss is playing down to him, which was his intent in the first
place.

> related to pine I suggest we do some mass-mailing of our own and see how

???