Subject: Re: About the Pine-Info mailing list

From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 24 Apr 1998 18:55:33 +0200

> Colin J Raven <[email-masked]> disagrees:

> <Awakening from lengthy slumber> I'd say that if 'ya put it in
> the header Stefan, it's fine. 

No it's not. Dammit. It sucks. However, pine could be delivered with
some headers enabled, say: "X-URL:..." That way, more people would
visit my website. Ummm... ok, the pine website, too.

> If you adopt Robin's suggestion, thus landing the relevant information
> in the footer...you're bound to get folks asking where the heck it's at
> anyway.  The assumption is that the newcomer knows how to scroll through
> an email if you place the necessary info at the end....dangerous to make
> such an assumption I'd say.

Colin, not all newbies are totally clueless. The first message they
get will say what that mail said, and that's cool. No need to have me
hack my .Gnus to filter this stuff. What's that "about:" got to do
there, anyway?

Hello, Pine team: Why doesn't pine come with a texi or SGML refcard/
FAQ/User-Something? That would rock. Admins could print it out and give
people. I still volunteer for that (at least SGML, not necessarily
texi).

> Spawn lynx????  

I don't care. Make it a switch. Spawn *something" that reads HTML. More
and more people are using this crap, anyway. The cleanest solution,
IMO, is what Gnus does, namely washing the mails. Then again, XEmacs
has W3 built in, so... Who's got a procmail script that washes HTML
from the body? I want that on the tips page.

> Just imagine a newcomer's utter astonishment when this "thing"
> launches, as he/she accidentally hit "Enter" when on the line
> which contained a link which was actually executable. I don't
> think too many newcomers know what lynx is...

As I said - make it a switch. I still imagine putting together 3 or 4
sample-pinerc in /etc/skel or something and make them do stuff, like
"html-washing-pinerc" or "imap-pinerc" or whatever.

> personally I think it rules, but that's me. (Especially when
> it's launched on a machine that's bolted onto a T3 haha) 

*kick* But you're right. Recent versions even do tables.

> I can see the contents of the list if that happened... I can see it.

Somehow, I get this weird feeling that you must have sucked big time
when you were a newbie. Hehehee...

> Subject: "Something happened to my screen" 

You're probably right, but I still remember hacking away at my pinerc
for hours only to find Yet Another Switch. Some things are *really*
strangely labelled (aggregate commands???).

> I don't think we wanna go there. :-) Now...What was the question????

Why haven't you contributed to the Tips page?

Have a nice weekend.

Robin

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