Subject: Pine-Info list to allow postings only by its subscribers

From: Stefan Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:37:54 -0800 (PST)

In October, and briefly again in January, members of this mailing list
discussed the pros and cons of restricting posting to this list to
subscribers only.  At the risk of oversimplification, it appears that the
"pro" is reduction, if not elimination, of Unsolicited Commercial Email
(UCE) distribution to present and future list subscribers via the list, and
the "con" is possible confusion for new email users writing to the list for
help. 

Since the ListProcessor for this mailing list, if set to subscriber-only
posting, will send non-subscribers trying to post to it a reply message
instructing them to subscribe first; the delineation between the respective
purposes of comp.mail.pine and pine-info should now be fairly well
documented and established; and UCE to the list continues unabatedly, it
seems that the "pro" outweighs the "con."  Therefore, we are planning on
setting this mailing list to accept postings only by subscribers effective
Monday, April 6, 1998.  

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  Stefan Kramer                   [email-masked]
  University of Washington        Computing & Communications        
  Mailstop 354841         Seattle, WA 98105-4527         USA
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From: David Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:39:19 -0800 (PST)

> setting this mailing list to accept postings only by subscribers effective

Yay!!!  That's something I wanted to do for a long time, but never got
consensus for.  I suppose part of the change of heart is the impending
Pine 4.00 release which will direct the newbies to comp.mail.pine... 

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 31 Mar 1998 20:40:00 +0200

> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Stefan Kramer wrote:

[...]
> > Therefore, we are planning on setting this mailing list to accept
> > postings only by subscribers effective Monday, April 6, 1998.

> consensus for.  

Hello, David "PC" Miller,

It's always good to see that some people practise what they preach, in
this case obeying the netiquette. But...

	 ======================== 8< ========================
When quoting another person, edit out whatever isn't directly applicable
to your reply. Don't let your mailing or Usenet software automatically
quote the entire body of messages you are replying to when it's not
necessary. Take the time to edit any quotations down to the minimum
necessary to provide context for your reply. Nobody likes reading a long
message in quotes for the third or fourth time, only to be followed by a
one line response: "Yeah, me too."
	 ======================== 8< ========================

and this one:

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Include your signature at the bottom of Email messages when communicating
with people who may not know you personally or broadcasting to a dynamic
group of subscribers.  Your signature footer should include your name,
position, affiliation and Internet and/or BITNET addresses and should not
exceed more than 4 lines.  Optional information could include your address
and phone number.
	 ======================== 8< ========================

> I suppose part of the change of heart is the impending Pine 4.00
> release which will direct the newbies to comp.mail.pine...

I suppose it's got something to do with the rather unappealing amount
of UCE this list has seen over the past few weeks.

Later,
Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha
Windows NT - if you're looking for an OS that goes down more often
than your girlfriend.

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From: Stefan Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:35:54 -0800 (PST)

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, David Miller wrote:
 
DM> .... I suppose part of the change of heart is the impending
DM> Pine 4.00 release which will direct the newbies to comp.mail.pine...

Indeed, the degree of comfort with making the list subscriber-only-posting
increases as the number of pointers "out there" telling Pine-users to write
to pine-info decreases.  Furthermore, this change will also obsolete the
whole 

"If you are sending a question to the Pine-Info mailing list but do not
subscribe to it, request in your message that replies be sent directly to
you, with a copy to the list. (Conversely, if you are answering a question
in the Pine-Info mailing list, be sure to include the inquirer's email
address in your reply, since s/he may not be a subscriber and will
otherwise not see your answer)." 
 
blurb at http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/subscribing.html

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From: Margaret Thomas <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:17:43 -0500 (EST)

Hello Everybody,
     I would like to applaud the suggestion which was recently made that
people edit their posts to cut out extraneous material.
     Some of you might recall an earlier appeal I made asking folks if
they could say what they had to say and then quote since I am using speech
and this would be much easier for me and other people using adaptive
equiptment.
     Robin's suggestion helps us all.
      He wrote:
...When quoting another person, edit out whatever isn't directly
applicable
to your reply. Don't let your mailing or Usenet software automatically
quote the entire body of messages you are replying to when it's not
necessary. Take the time to edit any quotations down to the minimum
necessary to provide context for your reply. Nobody likes reading a long
message in quotes for the third or fourth time, only to be followed by a

  one line response: "Yeah, me too.
""
     Thank you,
Margaret