Subject: Attach

From: "Cristhian Alexander" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:49:49 -0500

Hi list,

My name is Cristhian im from Peru

my question is the following one:
The option of attach in the Pine is possible annular, I want to do it by
reasons for security.

Thanks for his help

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From: Nathan Stratton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:14:13 -0500 (EST)

I do a lot of consulting for a bunch of firms who want me to send mail to
their customers with their domain name. Is it possible so that when I hit
Rich Header or something I can modify the from address to be
[email-masked] and not my normal [email-masked]?

I also would like to know if there will be PGP support when pine 4 is out?

--
Nathan Stratton				Telecom & ISP Consulting
www.robotics.net	 		[email-masked]

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:30:40 -0600 (CST)

>From: Nathan Stratton <[email-masked]>
>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:14:13 -0500 (EST)

>I also would like to know if there will be PGP support when pine 4 is out?

I wouldn't hire a consultant who ignores the FAQs and fails to read the list
archives, who would not lift a figure to become familiar with the executable
that he's being paid to support.

However, several of us on this list are available for hire to provide you with
the support you are seeking.

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From: Nathan Stratton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:31:45 -0500 (EST)

> that he's being paid to support.

I read all the pine 4 stuff and did not see anything on PGP. I am NOT being
paid to support PINE. I build global ATM/TCP and telephone networks, I do
not work with software at all.

I have not finished all the FAQs, but so far I have not found any info
that helps me with that I want to do.

> the support you are seeking.

Thanks, but I don't think I will use a consultant with a attitude like
yours. 

P.S. I don't mind if you flame me, but you don't need to send it to the
list. (I know this is sent to the list, but only to clarify).

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 15 Mar 1998 22:21:50 +0100

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> Nathan Stratton <[email-masked]> turns into flamebait...:
>>> From: Nathan Stratton <[email-masked]>:

Hi there, Nathan...

>>> [Nathan "Mucho-Buncho Consultanto" Stratton knows fsck all about
>>> sendmail] 
>>  I wouldn't hire a consultant who ignores the FAQs and fails to
>>  read the list archives, who would not lift a figure to become
>>  familiar with the executable that he's being paid to support.
> I read all the pine 4 stuff and did not see anything on PGP. 

That's because there won't be any to speak of. I understand it's a legal
problem. Bollocks[1] to the DOJ or whoever is in charge of that. There
are scripts around, but they royally suck. I know, because friends of
mine wrote them.

> I am NOT being paid to support PINE. I build global ATM/TCP and
> telephone networks, I do not work with software at all.

Ummmm... KeWL... you're one of those psycho guys that, like, do stuff
without other stuff, right? Huh-huh... C'mon Nathan, don't be
shy... You're actually using Pine for Linux. *We* know these
things. Any time, at any place, our snipers could strike. Hehehehe...

> I have not finished all the FAQs, but so far I have not found any
> info that helps me with that I want to do.

Yo! You're on a Linux box, so act like a man[2]. wget the docs, then
do:

for i in ~/RTFM/pine/* ; do cat $i | grep -4 -i "from:" ; done | less

or something. I happen not to have the docs here with me. And I'd like
to invite you to a trip to my superb website, where you'll find all
this stuff in printable form:
	   <http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine.html>

Spoiler follows:

Lbh arrq gb erpbzcvyr cvar jvgu n fjvgpu gung vf qrfpevorq va gur
grpu-abgrf (--jvgu-ranoyr-sbetrel be fbzrguvat).

>>  However, several of us on this list are available for hire to
>>  provide you with the support you are seeking.
> Thanks, but I don't think I will use a consultant with a attitude
> like yours.

Are you on crack? You're not s'posed to bump into a mailing list
cvffvat bss the regulars, you know. Did your mummy dress you funny
this morning?

> P.S. I don't mind if you flame me, but you don't need to send it to
> the list. 

If he didn't send it to the list, we'd be missing out on all the fun,
honey. It's always quite refreshing to see how self-acclaimed Demi
Gods of Modern NotWorks come crawling when their mouse button fails
them.

> (I know this is sent to the list, but only to clarify).

Clarify my butter, cry-baby. When dealing with a real OS, you need to
play according to the rules that are set in stones called "man",
"FAQ", "sed", "awk", "perl" and "grep". Not to forget "sh".

Have a nice one, Nathan. BTW, what you really want is an MUA called
mutt. It's something like "pine on H meets the nightmare from *elm*
street" with a lot a funky stuff. Full PGP support, threading,
filtering, from lines for different accounts, etc. Best run like this: 

	   rxvt --pixmap "~/.pixx/bloodgore.xpm" -e mutt &

Robin - sick and err... well, sick }:->

Footnotes: 
[3]  A message to all the Annelises out there: In the famous 1976 Sex
     Pistols Cover Trial, a High Court Judge ruled that bollocks is
     not an obscene word. KeWL...

[2]  Linux - where men are men and sheep are scared... Just
     kidding... Hahaha... *harrump*

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Through the firewall, out the router, down the T1, across the
backbone, bounced from satellite, nothing but net.

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From: Jason Castonguay <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:29:52 -0500 (EST)

I can't believe the attitude on this list!!  Why doesn't someone just
help, instead of giving the person who may not have had time to read all
the help available a very crappy attitude?

Here is what you must do.  To add the header so that when you push
"ctrl-r", go into the setup/configuration menu.  Error (or search) for
"customized-hdrs".  Change the value to "From:", and then save your
settings.  Note, the system administrator(s) may have compiled Pine so
that you are not allowed to change your "from" header.  You will get a
message saying so when you try to.  If this is so, add the value
"Reply-to:", instead, and at least, the person to whom you are writing
will see that you want them to reply to that address and not the one in
your "From" line.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Jason

P.S. As for the PGP availability, I can not tell you.  Btw, what exactly
is PGP?

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:19:09 -0600 (CST)

>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:31:45 -0500 (EST)

>>However, several of us on this list are available for hire to provide you
>>with the support you are seeking.

>Thanks, but I don't think I will use a consultant with a attitude like yours.

I'm not offering to do anything more than find the answers in the
documentation, the FAQ's, and the list archives.

>P.S. I don't mind if you flame me, but you don't need to send it to the list.

I lost my temper, and I apologize. But for such a message to come from a
professional . . . You led me to believe that you don't read the list,
considering that this question gets asked almost daily.

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From: Nathan Stratton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:20:55 -0500 (EST)

> are scripts around, but they royally suck. I know, because friends of

Ya, I have tried a few scripts, but yes they all royally sucked. I love
pine, I just need PGP support. Are people working on the legal problems? 

> things. Any time, at any place, our snipers could strike. Hehehehe...

Ok, ok, so I do work with software, but mostly hardware. 

> 	   <http://franck.pc.uni-koeln.de/~robin/pine.html>

Actually I found the from: stuff, what I did not find is the stuff on
recompiling pine to make it work. The version that came with Linux would
not let me change from: I am now leaching pine3.96 and will recompile it
when I get it.

> "FAQ", "sed", "awk", "perl" and "grep". Not to forget "sh".

Ya, ya ok you are right. I am a cry baby. It could be that I post around
50 message a day helping people on inet-access and nanog. I don't like it
when people yell instead of trying to help. 

> 	   rxvt --pixmap "~/.pixx/bloodgore.xpm" -e mutt &

Actually I have been reading the stuff on mutt, not sure if I am ready to
change yet.

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From: Nathan Stratton <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:26:37 -0500 (EST)

> documentation, the FAQ's, and the list archives.

I actually found it in the docs before I sent the post, but the version
that was packed with slackware was compiled so that would not work. I
should have been much more specific in my post.

> considering that this question gets asked almost daily.

No problem, I actually subscribed to the list yesterday. I should have
looked thought the archives, but I need to leave to Quito tomorrow and I
need to get ready.

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 15 Mar 1998 22:59:52 +0100

> Jason Castonguay <[email-masked]> had a quoting betnfz:

> I can't believe the attitude on this list!!  Why doesn't someone
> just help, instead of giving the person who may not have had time to
> read all the help available a very crappy attitude?

*sigh* What do you think this is? The bloody salvation army? People
like Adam devote their spare time to answering these questions. They do
not get paid for that, k? Therefore, they make the RuLEz and *break*
them. It's funny how amazingly simple life can be, isn't it?

If it weren't for people like Adam (Ed, Mike, numerous others), this
list would be in the hands of lackwits like Annelise and Ray. Oh, and
you, of course:

[snipped half-digested nonsense]
> Note, the system administrator(s) may have compiled Pine so that
> you are not allowed to change your "from" header.  

It's the default behaviour, darling. The tech-notes explain, why. IIRC,
even the online help does.

> You will get  a message saying  so when you try to.   If this is so,
> add the value "Reply-to:", instead, and at least, the person to whom
> you are writing will see that you want them to reply to that address
> and not the one in your "From" line.

And if this person has one of those fscking Mickysoft MUAs that will
happily ignore the reply-to or let the user disobey?

Blondie: "*squeal* Honeeey, what's a reply-to?" 
MCP:	 "*groan* It's probably one of those, like, virus things. Don't
          touch it and come to daddy".[1]

> I hope this helps.

Nice try, but no banana, Jason. BTW, one doesn't quote entire messages,
one has sigdashes and (in the name of all that which does not suck) one
does not suck. Will you kindly remove thyself to newusers.questions and
suck there? Or maybe get a clue? That'd be really kool, you know?

HTH,
Robin

Footnotes: 
[1]  This is *not* a real life situation. I just made it up. It's one
     of those macho things my fevered mind keeps making up right
     now. But it *could* happen, and "daddy" might in fact refer to
     something other than "father", so don't let your kids read this
     - it's not PC, is it, Mr. Miller?

-- 
Robin S. Socha
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
alt.advocacy.pico  To support those oppressed by vi and emacs.