Subject: pop3 problem

From: onamission <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:29:16 +0000 (GMT)

Hi Piners,

I just picked up a new ISP and they don't have imap.  So I'm using pop3,
but there is a problem.  After I log into Pine and it retrieves the mail,
the next time it tries to automatically fetch it, the system locks up.  I
believe this happens because Pine doesn't retain the password.

I'm running a Linux box without sendmail or fetchmail etc...and that's the
way I'd like to keep things if possible.  BTW, the ISP is running QPOP, if
that's a clue.

If anyone has any ideas...they would be appreciated.

Geez....I hope my signature is alright...:)

Ona....twisted mind???...no, just bent in several strategic places.

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 17 Mar 1998 10:43:30 +0100

> onamission <[email-masked]> writes:

> I just picked up a new ISP and they don't have imap.  So I'm
> using pop3, but there is a problem.  After I log into Pine and it
> retrieves the mail, the next time it tries to automatically fetch
> it, the system locks up.  I believe this happens because Pine
> doesn't retain the password.  I'm running a Linux box without
> sendmail or fetchmail etc...and that's the way I'd like to keep
> things if possible.  BTW, the ISP is running QPOP, if that's a
> clue.

I've always found that the trusty old qmail/fetchmail/procmail/pine
combination is the best Linux has to offer. Err... for pine that is,
not in general. What's the problem about installing fetchmail? It'll
happily fetch mail from pop3 and IMAP servers and installing it is a
cakewalk.

> Geez....I hope my signature is alright...:)

Flamebait? Yippie!

1. Get a real name.
2. Get sigdashes.
3. Get
**IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM YOUR ISP**
Hi, my name is Jennifer, and I hate to interrupt this message, but I
just had to tell you how much I like taking off my clothes.  I feel so
absolutely hot and
NO CARRIER

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From: onamission <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:00:25 +0000 (GMT)

> happily fetch mail from pop3 and IMAP servers and installing it is a

Those are all great pieces of software.  But, my reason for using Pine as
a stand alone is....I set out to do it that way and I want to complete the
job.

It's sort of like, when I taught my dog to answer long distance telephone
calls because most of the time they're from my mother-in-law.  

I spent a couple of weeks teaching her(my dog, not my mother-in-law) and
she seemed to pick it up fine.  She'd knock the phone off the hook and
give a couple of good barks(my dog, not my mother-in-law.  She only did
that once when she got into some home-made wine, barked like a dog that
is, she has never knocked the phone off the hook, as far as I know).  

Then she(my mother-in-law, not my dog), buys me a subscription to Linux
Journal.  Just when you think you have somebody pegged....they show
another side of themselves.  So I thought, Ona, how bad can this woman be?

So, out of respect for my mother-in-law, I've been trying to teach Bear(my
dog, not my mother-in-law)to bark only once and to do it softly...  But
nooo....she's stuborn! I know she's smart.  She's an elkhound, btw.  Anyway, 
when I got her from the pound, I thought she was a Bassett Hound, but she
turned out to be an Elkhound.  DUH....where was my logic.....you see a lot
more Elks around than you do Bassetts, don't you?

Well....more or less...those are my reasons for not wanting to use the
other software.

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 17 Mar 1998 19:53:23 +0100

> > combination is the best Linux has to offer.
> Those are all great pieces of software.  But, my reason for using
> Pine as a stand alone is....I set out to do it that way and I want
> to complete the job.

That is against the U*ix philosophy. It's already pretty bad that pine
doesn't understand CLI switches[1]. But if you put all the other stuff
into it, it would become... ummm... an Emacs clone? The world's worst
Emacs clone?

In fact, you might end up with your mother on a dumb terminal once she
finds out how good Linux really is, and she'll be screaming for XFmail
or Netrape - and then what? See... you want fetchmail.

> calls because most of the time they're from my mother-in-law.

And that was about the most valuable input this list has seen in
weeks. Heheheee...

Cheers, mate!

Robin

Footnotes: 
[1]  Will 4.0 support life-saving stuff like 
     pine -attach <comma separated list of filenames>?

-- 
Robin S. Socha
If your operating system goes down more often
than your girlfriend, then either you need to get
a Catholic girl, or you need to stop running NT.

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From: "Colin J. Raven" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:09:23 -0800 (PST)

I like Pine because it reminds me of trees, and I ofttimes wish I was up a
tree (though some say I am anyway) where I couldn't be expected to answer
the 'phone all the time...why? because I'm 35 feet up in the air that's
why...where was I...oh yes I remember...
My dog likes trees and never gets into my email. He ate a 'phone cord once
though, and it took a $2450 vetinarian bill to open him up and extract the
'phone cord from his intestinal tract. 
He can't answer the 'phone, although in fairness to him (he's a Labrador)
I never took the time to teach him. It's entirely possible that he could.
Where was I? Oh, yes now I remember:
	Pine is neat in that it's set up so that idiots can use it. 
	Pine meets the needs of power users and novices alike. It doesn't
discriminate based on mental ability, although I'm looking for a universal
mail client that does....
My dog pees on trees, and I once was arrested many years ago for doing
that in Copenhagen. The Danes don't like foreigners urinating on their
trees. My mitigating circumstances were that I had consumed too much
Danish beer, and just *had to* "go" right there. "There" happened to be
alongside a tree. It didn't go over very well, and I was heavily fined and
given a stern lecture in a language I didn't understand. I thought (at the
time) that if you peed on a tree, then sent a money order into the Danish
Ministery of Tree Preservation, it would be OK. Two nights later after
smoking something that didn't burn like a cigarette, and made me feel very
strange I consumed even more of the excellent Danish brew that got me into
trouble in the first place. Once again a uniformed "pecker peeper" caught
me relieving myself against a tree (ther seemed to be a lot of trees in
Copengaen) and once again detained me for questioning. The judge
said a lot in this strange language I didn't understand, and my
interpreter (who was actually drunk while in the courtroom) told me they
were deporting me.
I always thought the Danes were tolerant. Pine is tolerant in that it
allows you to do wild and dangerous things that would crash any lesser
mail program. 
Pine has a delightful name, and doesn't sound like an adventurer like
"Navigator" or "Explorer". Its also very fast....almost as fast as my dog
chasing a cat up a tree. The last time that happened, I wound up rescuing
the cat (which didn't appreciate the rescue) that my dog had just
caused to levitate itself 35 feet vertically. It occured to me at the
time, that if the 'phone rang while I was up the tree, it would be almost
impossible to answer it without risking serious bodily harm.
	I never seem to have problems like that while using Pine, oh and
with a second 'phone line installed I can answer the 'phone while
answering email. I always try to keep the cord away from my dog however,
he didn't learn his lesson the first time. If that were me, well I'd know
that if I ate a 'phone cord ever again, it would result in anaesthesia and
surgery. Maybe he's not as bright as i thought, and in fact could not be
taught to answer the phone after all.
"That's just my opinion.....I could be wrong" (Dennis Miller)
Now where was I..........
-Colin.
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Colin J. Raven
Network & Systems Administrator
HDS Lab, Inc.
Costa Mesa CA  | Harrison NY
"If I knew Scnapps would make this happen, I would have stayed out of your
bathroom" (Fred Pasternack circa 1996 after making a real mess in
someone's bathroom)