Subject: Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: "Speaking Freely" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:53:25 -0600

Jennifer and others:

She is right.  If this flaming must go on, why not direct the flames at the
person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group?  I for one have
recieved very helpful feedback from the group. Some people are nicer than
others, but then again, the information provided here is free.

I must say though that Colin of all people on the list seems to try to get
reactions like this.  His attitude is relatively condescending when
responding to people he assumes to be less technically endowed.  If he were
to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people problems
wouldn't be so widespread within the group.  But then of course, maybe Colin
is british and that is just a tad bit of Irony and Sarcasm :)

I will shut my mouth now, I have expended my 2 cents.

P.S.  I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Jensen <[email-masked]>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>I'm new to this list, but can I offer my opinion? The question may not be
>been asked the best way, and the rebuttal was very inadvisable. However, I
>believe that we're flogging a dead issue here, and getting off-track
>besides.
>That's just my two cents, of course.
>
>J.
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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:08:46 +0100 (CET)

On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote:

> person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group?  

Why not? Messages like the OP's have become a common trait here. This is
not a Good Thing (tm). It does not acutally "clutter up the group",
either. This list was supposed to be for technical problems. Well, that
doesn't seem to work. So it might be used as a forum where one can, well,
do some educational stuff.

> reactions like this.  

This is positively incorrect. It's also demeaning my articles. Shame on
you. As a matter of fact, noone here is trying to get even more stoopid
lusers on the net. On the contrary. Colin was making a very valid point
with his article. It's not nice to hop into a mailing list, asking for
information that is at your very fingertips, and it's suicidal to flame
people that offer you free help.

> His attitude is relatively condescending when responding to people he
> assumes to be less technically endowed.  

Whiner. And it's *not* condescension you're experiencing here, but mere
frustration, because "we" are becoming a minority - "we" meaning people
that know what they're doing because we did in fact spend some time
reading the documentation. You know, the pine docs are rather well
written, and it doesn't take much time at all to read them. Personally, I
cannot even begin to understand how one could not be able to download a
file when all the necessary steps are explained in the docs _and_ probably
a handout by the young lady's university.

> If he were to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people
> problems wouldn't be so widespread within the group.  

No. If he were, this would be the most boring place on the entire
internet, because there's no input whatsoever from the kind and gentle
people like Ray Cummins and Annelise Undersome.  There is, however, input
from people like Colin. Take it or leave it - it's free and it's up to him
if he want's to flame some luser for violation of the netiquette or not.

> P.S.  I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female.

Geez, get a life... PC is dead and we've come to bury it.

Robin SWM