Subject: importing jewelry

From: CMandracch <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:31 EST

To whom it may concern:
I am interested in getting started in the importing business; the product that
I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India.  I am a teacher by
profession and I need some info. in getting started in this business.  If you
have any info. available, I would deeply appreciate it.  Thank you for your
time; I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,
Cindi

Email address: CMandracch

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST)

>From: CMandracch <[email-masked]>
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:31 EST

>I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India.

Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was the highest
scoring hit for "filigree jewelry"?

I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an argument for modera-
ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone else think this is a good idea?

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From: Norbert Koch <[email-masked]>
Date: 09 Jan 1998 07:30:41 +0100

>>>On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST), "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]> said:

[...crap...]

 AHK> Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was
 AHK> the highest scoring hit for "filigree jewelry"?

 AHK> I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an
 AHK> argument for modera- ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone
 AHK> else think this is a good idea?

Hi,

you are absolutely right ... this is not a primary pine problem :-)

The problem with moderation is: who's got the spare time and is
willing/able to read/stand all the crap that is coming along the
strange and twisted channels knocking at the pine mailing-list's
door. It is certainly not possible for me, my chef is going to kill me
on the spot :-/

just my 2p, norbert.

-- 
Norbert Koch
a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT)

Just a thought...

Rather than going the whole hog and turning the list into a moderated one
(ie, have every article vetted by a human before passing on to the list at
large) how about converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only
subscribers can post to it?  Then people who haven't subscribed but try to
post would get an error message back telling them that the list is a
closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) what the list
is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe.

This would avoid the burden on, and delays in postings caused by having to
filter articles through, a humanoid whilst hopefully significantly cut
down the junk from spammers, web-searchers, and other random odds-n-sods. 

Any comments anyone?

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From: Andreas Sikkema <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:41:53 +0100 (GMT+0100)

> is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe.
This is the best suggestion I heard sofar.

(PS I'm just a lurker, but I'm getting more and more annoyed with all
this ch*ng*ng *f n*m*s)

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From: Norbert Koch <[email-masked]>
Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:45:37 +0100

>>>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT), Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]> said:

 MB> Just a thought...  Rather than going the whole hog and turning
 MB> the list into a moderated one (ie, have every article vetted by a
 MB> human before passing on to the list at large) how about
 MB> converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only subscribers
 MB> can post to it?  Then people who haven't subscribed but try to
 MB> post would get an error message back telling them that the list
 MB> is a closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a)
 MB> what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe.

[...]

 MB> Any comments anyone?

Of course :-)

The suggestion sounds quite good to me ... the only problem might be,
imo, that point (b) only delays the emergence of off-topic mails, but
it's worth a try. Point (a) is *very* interesting, since this
mailing-list has been set up in order to separate more technically
based questions on pine from FAQs that are to be posted to
comp.mail.whine (oops :-). In fact, FAQs shouldn't be posted at all,
but that's a different cup of tea.

Ed, Robin what do you think?

l8er, norbert.

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:43:39 -0600 (CST)

>From: Norbert Koch <[email-masked]>
>Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:45:37 +0100

>>Then people who haven't subscribed but try to post would get an error message
>>back telling them that the list is a closed one, and presumably this could go
>>on to explain (a)  what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe.

>The suggestion sounds quite good to me ... the only problem might be, imo,
>that point (b) only delays the emergence of off-topic mails, but it's worth a
>try. Point (a) is *very* interesting, since this mailing-list has been set up
>in order to separate more technically based questions on pine from FAQs that
>are to be posted to comp.mail.whine (oops :-).

First, however, the explanation must be given on every Web page in the archives
that has a mailto: URL. This is where the irrelevant questions originate from.

Does anyone want to admit to being the listowner or the Webmaster?

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From: Mike Mahaffy <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:47:14 -0800

Hello all,

Here's a thought.  How about just sending a message that reflects the
following sentiment.

"Wrong type of question for this forum."

When the individual gets so 'MANY' responses back from the entire (lots
anyway) pine group they will have figured out that 'hey, maybe this is
the wrong group to ask'.  This might be preferred instead of other
options (no names) that have been used in the past to try to turn people
away.  All that does is - well - nothing.

OK it might be frustrating at first but you are reading your mail
anyway, aren't you???  Like this one for example...

...and as mentioned before, who has the time or really wants to moderate
a list for a large group like this?

Mike...........