Subject: Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: "Speaking Freely" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:49:11 -0600

This one goes out to Mr. Robin, King of all knowitalls.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin S. Socha <[email-masked]>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote:
>
>> She is right.  If this flaming must go on, why not direct the flames at
the
>> person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group?
>
>Why not? Messages like the OP's have become a common trait here. This is
>not a Good Thing (tm). It does not acutally "clutter up the group",
>either. This list was supposed to be for technical problems. Well, that
>doesn't seem to work. So it might be used as a forum where one can, well,
>do some educational stuff.

Now, the egotists come out.  Never realized that your endless babbling was
considered educational.

>
>> I must say though that Colin of all people on the list seems to try to
get
>> reactions like this.
>
>This is positively incorrect. It's also demeaning my articles. Shame on
>you. As a matter of fact, noone here is trying to get even more stoopid
>lusers on the net. On the contrary. Colin was making a very valid point
>with his article. It's not nice to hop into a mailing list, asking for
>information that is at your very fingertips, and it's suicidal to flame
>people that offer you free help.
>
>> His attitude is relatively condescending when responding to people he
>> assumes to be less technically endowed.

Sorry Robin.  You are actually the most condescending of all, and for that
shame on you!  I didn't mean to try to take away your crown and give it to
colin.  Do you have a real job by the way, or is your job to monitor this
list during the times when your hardware isn't falling apart?  Is being a
student all that you do aside from your *contributions* to this list?

>
>Whiner. And it's *not* condescension you're

Actually Robin, I didn't realize there was a tone of whining in my
statement.   I was just offering objective input, which you felt the
adolecent need to twist.  Aren't you really the whiner?

experiencing here, but mere
>frustration, because "we" are becoming a minority - "we" meaning people
>that know what they're doing because we did in fact spend some time
>reading the documentation. You know, the pine docs are rather well
>written, and it doesn't take much time at all to read them. Personally, I
>cannot even begin to understand how one could not be able to download a
>file when all the necessary steps are explained in the docs _and_ probably
>a handout by the young lady's university.

This point is well put!  Why don't you just reply to people with this rather
than belittle them?

>
>> If he were to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people
>> problems wouldn't be so widespread within the group.
>
>No. If he were, this would be the most boring place on the entire
>internet, because there's no input whatsoever from the kind and gentle
>people like Ray Cummins and Annelise Undersome.

Indeed, and I am sure that you are one who wants to see Sadam Hussain
conquer, because of course, without excitement from dictators like him, the
world would be a dull place.  Maybe you should should try being kind and
gentle, people would react in a much more positive way.  I certainly would
have.

There is, however, input
>from people like Colin. Take it or leave it - it's free and it's up to him
>if he want's to flame some luser for violation of the netiquette or not.

Your opinion on who is a looser is clearly misguided, and less than
subjective.  As for Mr. Colin, his advice is what it is....Free.  The old
cliche about getting what you pay for has never been more applicable.

>
>> P.S.  I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female.
>
>Geez, get a life... PC is dead and we've come to bury it.

Oh Yeah moron, I forgot, being polite is not what you have been complaining
about, it is all about netiquette isn't it.  Of course, there is no
corolation between nettiquette, politeness, and PC, or is there?  You must
be at least 18 years old Robin aren't you?  By the way, this comment was
included because after being on this list for quite some time, it wasn't
until yesterday that I realized you were not a female.  Or should I say
bitch, because that is how you come across at every point you enter group
conversation.

>Robin SWM

I have a small piece of advice for Robin SWM.   Without endusers, there is
no reason for you.  Without developing software/operating systems that
others can use easily, Bill Gateus will succeed in killing all efforts to
battle his OS's.  Fix the www.enemy.org link you have under your Microsoft
link on your web site.

It's amazing to me that someone who professes their intelligence and
education as you do can act like such a child.

don't expect further posts from me regarding this, as it has already wasted
more time than I have to offer.

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From: Geoff Reed <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:50:15 -0800 (PST)

>On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote:

-snip-

--end snip--

Good thing we won't be hearing more from you on this subjest, at least
if Robin and colin and others are coarse in their replies or flame
someone, they have the COMMON COURTESY to use their REAL email addresses,
rather than a fake email address that bounces.(heavy sarcasm mode on) 
It takes a really brave, intelligent person to critisize others from a
fake email address. (heavy sarcasm node off)

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:28:36 +0100 (CET)

> >> the person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group?

[if the pdf doesn't work as a forum for tex questions, we can do some
educational stuff]
> Now, the egotists come out.  Never realized that your endless babbling was

You don't need to, darling. Education is probably lost on you, anyway, since
you haven't learnt to use a real name or a signature.

> >> get reactions like this.
> shame on you!  

Sheeesh, you couldn't tell a smiley from a dishwasher until I threw it in
your face, could you?

> I didn't mean to try to take away your crown and give it to
> Colin.  Do you have a real job by the way, or is your job to monitor this

I'm a consultant for an international risk management agency. Any further
questions, idiot?

> adolecent need to twist.  Aren't you really the whiner?

Oh, dear... my, my... Ummm, would you mind if I said that you've got no
clue? I  haven't seen any input from you whatsoever. I've seen a lot from
Colin. Any yes, you did in fact whine. I mean, what's your problem? You
don't seem to know anything, otherwise you'd be helping. You have not been
attacked, yet you feel you need to comment. You don't know Latin, yet you
use the word "objective" without knowing what it acutally says.

> This point is well put!  Why don't you just reply to people with this rather

I must really suck to be you. Listen, Dearoldmum, there's users and there's
lusers. I would have told a user exactly that. In fact, I did. But Jennifer
turned out to be a whiner. I don't like whiners. People that get a
Terrormail account and Outlook Exploder 99 and come to this list and start
whining that there is no Download Wizard or sm-tnf-converter and the like.
This cannot be it. This is a technical forum (although right now it looks
more like a kindergarten) and we still get a very high noise ratio. Ever
wondered what the rest of the net is like? If I tell someone "go read the
documentation which you can pick up here and which was put there by the same
wonderful people that made pine available for free", I get some 5 f*cked up
lusers like you telling me that RTFM is not a polite/valid/whatever answer.
FUD. I don't need this crap. I help where I can, and that's that. If noone
told people like Jennifer that the way they behave sucks and makes the net
a lousy place to be, they wouldn't even know. I don't think they care, but I
want them at least to know. Go figure.

> world would be a dull place.  

This is a poor adoption of Goodwin's law, idiot. [x] get a life

> Maybe you should should try being kind and gentle, 

I'm neither kind nor gentle. I'm not being paid for that. 

> people would react in a much more positive way.  I certainly would have.

My, this is making want to cry. Thank you, I really needed a moral boost
from you. You made my day.

> >There is, however, input from people like Colin. Take it or leave it -
> >it's free and it's up to him  if he want's to flame some luser for
> >violation of the netiquette or not. 
> subjective.  

I didn't say "looser". I said "luser". But you don't care, cause you joined
the net in 97 and it's a really cool place where you can hang out and chat
with many people who are all nice and gentle. Of course, I am misguided, of
course my opinion is more than subjective. So? Were you trying to make some
point by stating the obvious, Dearoldlamer?

> As for Mr. Colin, his advice is what it is....Free.  The old

Hmmm... pico doesn't rot13 regions. Not good. Ok, let's put it this way:
you're a rebel without a clue. You've apparently no idea of the technology
you're using, otherwise I would have seen some input from you. But I
haven't. Still you moan and whine and generally suck - big time. What's you
goal in life? Become King Lackwit I ? People like Colin rule. People like
you suck. Amazing how simple life really is, isn't it?

> corolation between nettiquette, politeness, and PC, or is there?  

Partly. The netiquette is about getting along with other people in the
absence of corporal punishment. PC is a communist tool for manipulating
freedom of speech, putting loosers into positions they don't belong, and
demeaning democracy in general. My M.A. thesis was about language
manipulation by totalitarian regimes. PC is Goebbels reborn. No Goodwin
here, just empirical findings. You loose.

> You must be at least 18 years old Robin aren't you?  By the way, this
> comment was included because after being on this list for quite some time,
> it wasn't until yesterday that I realized you were not a female.  Or
> should I say bitch, because that is how you come across at every point you
> enter group conversation.

>From people like you, I usually take this comment as a compliment. Thanks.
Now go away, you're boring.

> no reason for you.  

No, there isn't. If there weren't any, there would be no reason to improve
Linux software.

> Without developing software/operating systems that others can use
> easily, Bill Gateus will succeed in killing all efforts to  battle his
> OS's.

He's got more than one? What year is it at your place? Here in Germany, it's
1998 and there is no MS "OS" in existence. There's Dos and NT, both of which
are no operating systems by Unix standards.

> more time than I have to offer.

Finally, some good news here from The Thing without a Name.

Robin

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