Subject: wealth

From: [email-masked]
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:27:15 -0400 (EDT)

Please send me info...

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From: "Colin J. Raven" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:44:35 -0700 (PDT)

On what??? Wealth?
Sanford Wallace (cyber promotions) must send you a ton of complete j*u*n*k
mail twenty times a day, within AOL.
I strongly recommend that you examine your outgoing mail, to check where
you're sending it, and if what you are sending makes even the slightest
sense to YOU, just for starters.
Maybe, just maybe, when you take your training wheels off, and leave that
cesspool, laughably referred to as America On Line, but which should
rightly be called the septic tank of America's Lowest Order of Life" get a
REAL Internet account, and find out what's happening in the outside world
(aka THE Internet) maybe you will find out what life...and wealth is all
about.

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From: Timothy J Luoma <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 20:50:29 -0400

The noise ratio here is so loud I can't even hear myself wonder why I subbed.

TjL

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From: "Colin J. Raven" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:04:50 -0700 (PDT)

I agree in principle, but that rather points towards a moderated list, and
that's kind of difficult to accomplish at this point.
Ask Robin, I'm sure he would agree that the lowest common denominator is
regrettably frequent in it's (their) appearance!

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From: Timothy J Luoma <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 21:06:30 -0400

Author:        "Colin J. Raven" <[email-masked]>
	Original-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:04:50 -0700 (PDT)
	Message-ID:    <[email-masked]>

> regrettably frequent in it's (their) appearance!

I'm just waiting for the listproc to process my unsub request.

The list needs to be subscriber-post only, to start with.

Subscription requests should be confirmed, and the confirmation note should  
inform of the strict anti-spam rules.

IMO.

TjL

ps -- the listproc seems very slow at responding... I guess they don't want  
me to go ;-)

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From: "Colin J. Raven" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:16:22 -0700 (PDT)

ummmm...you have a point there I'm obliged to admit!
Hey, Don't Leave!!! We need reasoned voices here :)
Colin

> ps -- the listproc seems very slow at responding... I guess they don't want  

Colin J. Raven
Network & Systems Administration
HDS Lab, Inc.
Costa Mesa CA, 		Harrison NY
(714) 428 0300		       (914) 835 2200
"Communications at The Speed of Life"

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:02:27 -0700 (PDT)

> The list needs to be subscriber-post only, to start with.

We're discussing that option right now, but would like to get some
discussion from the group.  Does anyone object?

> inform of the strict anti-spam rules.

I don't see anything offhand in the listproc config options short of
requiring the owner/subscription-manager to approve all subscriptions. 
I'm not willing to handle that alone; are there any volunteers who
would be willing to help out as subscription manager? 

> ps -- the listproc seems very slow at responding... I guess they don't want  

Sorry about that.  It's usually pretty snappy for me, but it does get
bogged down sometimes... 

-- 
David L. Miller <[email-masked]> | When ideas fail, words come in
Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | very handy. -- Goethe
Box 354841, University of Washington     |
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Phone: (206)685-6240  FAX: (206)685-4045 |

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From: Edward M Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:29:24 +0800 (GMT)

> discussion from the group.  Does anyone object?

Yes!  I object.......

First, the "junk" we see here in the is list isn't all that bad.  One
swift kick with the "d"elete key gets you past.

Second, and more important, many of the folks sending to the mailing list
are "newbies".  Some of them don't know enough to sign up to the list.
They simply send their inquiries "expecting" a response....as in "we"
*are* the helpdesk.  This usually happens at the start of some school
year.

After a few years of being on this list I've *finally* come to realize the
second one.  Since that is the case, I now refrain from shouting "that
question was answered 3X in the last week!!!!".  I only do that on
comp.mail.pine.  ;-)

So, I'd suggest, leave things how they are, instuct folks on how to use
the delete key, and tell folks if they are tired of answering the same
question 3X in one week then move to comp.mail.pine and start shouting!

> would be willing to help out as subscription manager? 

I don't think the Spam level is so intolerable.  The middle finger on my
left hand works great.  Or, maybe I just have a high threshold of pain? 
I've started to work on my procmail filters in my spare time.....but spare
time is kind of rare at the moment. 

-- 
Edward M. Greshko                  Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
                                   Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D  Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC  3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE

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From: Edward M Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:33:00 +0800 (GMT)

David,

One more item.....

If folks spent less time and effort respoonding to (talking about)
messages like "wealth" and "make money fast" or if they'd at least refrain
from doing so on the list.....then we'd have less junk.  

Of course, I just violated what I'm suggesting....but is was to make a
point and you did ask.  :-) :-)

Ed

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT)

[ sorry about editing the subject, but the original doesn't quite
reflect what we are discussing ;-) ]

> *are* the helpdesk.  This usually happens at the start of some school

When we discussed the split of pine-info and comp.mail.pine a while
back, the consensus was to try to shift the pine-info focus toward
Pine/System administrators and "power users."  At least that was the
consensus among the Pine Team ;-)  That would seem to make it
appropriate to put some sort of (low) hurdle between pine-info
subscribers and joe-random-user....

-- 
David L. Miller <[email-masked]> | Do not meddle in the affairs of
Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | Wizards, for they are subtle and
Box 354841, University of Washington     | quick to anger. -- J.R.R Tolkien
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA  |
Phone: (206)685-6240  FAX: (206)685-4045 |

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From: Sachin Garg <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:55:12 +0530 (IST)

> subscribers and joe-random-user....

I am joining in a bit late, but the Usenet isn't really worth it. I
serached Dejanews for a whole week for info regarding pine and pgp with a
slow 9.6 kbps link shared by 100 people and what i got were a measly 6-7
messages that didn't even start to answer my question. One post here and
my question gets answered in the first hour. Great, isn't it. BTW, at the
pine-info web site, how does one do a search. There isn't any search form
that I could see.

TIA,

sachin 

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From: Stefan Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:48:53 -0700 (PDT)

On the page at http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ there are two
buttons:

[search] the archived messages' full text 

	and

[search] the archived messages' subjects only 

that take you to search-input pages.  Note: These are only for searching
the Pine-Info archives; the rest of the Pine Information Center has a
searchable index accessible via the [search] button on its homepage.

 ------------------------------------------------------------
  Stefan Kramer                   [email-masked]
  PINE Information Center    http://www.washington.edu/pine/
  Computing & Communications        University of Washington    
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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Sachin Garg wrote:

> ... BTW, at the

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 22 Oct 1997 08:00:04 +0200

>> "DLM" == David L Miller <[email-masked]> writes:

DLM> When we discussed the split of pine-info and comp.mail.pine a
DLM> while back, the consensus was to try to shift the pine-info focus
DLM> toward Pine/System administrators and "power users."  At least
DLM> that was the consensus among the Pine Team ;-) That would seem to
DLM> make it appropriate to put some sort of (low) hurdle between
DLM> pine-info subscribers and joe-random-user....

A multiple-choice test? Please, make it a multiple-choice test and put 
the answers in a digest (anonymized). }:->

Cheers,
Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Political Science Dept., Bonn University 
  Masochist: Windows programmer with a smile!

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From: Andrew Vardy <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:29:54 -0230 (NDT)

Ahh, but I agree with the questioner.  This doesn't work for me either.

You go to this link, and then you see another link.  Follow that link, and
then it'll take you back to the page you just left, this one!

There is one other link, but that heads off nowhere.

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From: Stefan Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:00:29 -0700 (PDT)

Can you describe the problem you are encountering in more detail?  (Are you
actually unable to perform a search with the pages at and
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/search.cgi
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/subjects/search-subjects.cgi, or
... ?  In that case: what browser are you using?) 

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Andrew Vardy wrote:

> From: Andrew Vardy <[email-masked]>
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
> To: Pine Discussion Forum <[email-masked]>
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:29:54 -0230 (NDT)
> Subject: Re: How to search pine-info web site [was: Re: subscriber-post only 
(was: Re: wealth)]

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From: Sachin Garg <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:38:26 +0530 (IST)

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Stefan Kramer wrote:

> .... ?  In that case: what browser are you using?) 
> 

I was using Lynx 2.7. With that, I didn't get the form. Using Netscape
3.01, I am getting the form. My OS is Linux 2.0.30.

Hope this info helps you in tracj\king down the problem.

tia,

sachin

From [email-masked] Fri Oct 24 14:36:21 1997
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:32:36 +0530
From: Sachin Garg <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: search.cgi

                     Search Pine Discussion Forum Archives
                                       
   You can search the messages from the Pine discussion forum archives of
   the available months for occurrences of one or more keywords. (You can
   search for phrases - words separated by spaces - but they will only be
   found if they are not split by a linebreak.)
   
   You can narrow your search by entering several words separated by a
   semicolon, which implies a Boolean AND. You can broaden your search by
   entering several words separated by a comma, which implies a Boolean
   OR.
   
   Substrings of words will also be matched - a search for serv, for
   example, will find all messages containing service, disservice,
   server, servers, and so forth.
   
   Searches are case-insensitive. (Text strings over 64 characters in
   length are not indexed.)
   
   This full-text index includes numbers too, so you can perform searches
   such as:
     * X.400,X400
     * IMAP4;Communications Week
     * Solaris 2.4
       
   The indexing/searching of these message archives utilizes Glimpse

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: 24 Oct 1997 11:10:48 +0200

>> "SG" == Sachin Garg <[email-masked]> writes:

SG> On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Stefan Kramer wrote:

>> Can you describe the problem you are encountering in more detail?
>> In that case: what browser are you using?)

Shouldn't pages like these be browser-independent? The html used on
this page isn't valid, btw.

SG> I was using Lynx 2.7. With that, I didn't get the form. Using
SG> Netscape 3.01, I am getting the form. My OS is Linux 2.0.30.

May I kindly suggest using the standard mask glimpse http comes with
instead of the script you're using on this site? It's really handy and 
stuff and can be found here:
	<http://glimpse.cs.arizona.edu/webglimpse/>

[snipped soapbox]

Cheers,
Robin

-- 
Robin S. Socha M.A.
Apples have meant trouble since eden

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From: Stefan Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:19:57 -0700 (PDT)

With Lynx, you (should ;-) get a prompt at the bottom of the screen saying

	"This is a searchable index.  Use S or s to search."

After pressing the "S" key, you enter your query, just as you do in the
text box you get with graphical browsers, and hit Enter.  (You didn't get a
form because there really *is* no HTML form -- these two input pages use
the <ISINDEX> method.) 

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 Stefan Kramer    \|/    [email-masked]
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From: Sachin Garg <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:15:28 +0530 (IST)

> 	"This is a searchable index.  Use S or s to search."

Well, I don't get that. But it does work. Thanks a lot. I guess I just
didn't see that.

sachin

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From: Andrew Vardy <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:34:47 -0230 (NDT)

> actually unable to perform a search with the pages at and

You got it.

> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/search.cgi

Why don't I just include this page.

As you can see, there is nothing on the page for searching.  No search
field.  no nothing.