Subject: Re: Using vi with pine

From: Robin S Socha <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:28:23 +0200 (CEST)

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On Mon, 5 May 1997, Sven Guckes wrote:

  >> [email-masked] (Robin S Socha):
  >> All _I_ want is better yanking in pico
  >
  >Any more features would make pico more complicated and thus it would rule
  >out pico as a "simple editor".
  >Therefore - forget it!  If you want more then use another editor!

I'm being forced to do that, and I don't mind, because I need more features
than pico offers.

Granted, joe's almost twice as big as pico, but it has the features I need,
while IMNSHO maintaining all of pico's ease of use.

Granted, too, that vim is *much* better than joe, but I find it utterly
cryptic, even compared to emacs (ymmv). It's just not something I would give
to inexperienced users, unless they had touched my computer. >:->

However, there is a middle ground between "simple" (one might say
patronizingly primitive) and "complicated" a.k.a. badly documented. Joe has
a nice help screen that could be customized for pine to reflect all features
that are currently available in pico. Furthermore, when run in jpico mode,
there are no differences between joe and pico as far as keyboard shortcuts
are concerned. Now, if you wanted more features than offered initially, you
could still use them, because they would be explained in additional and
easily accessible help screens. Simply put: ^J remains ^J, but now does
proper yanking of this:

  >> If you could come up with a Deluxe version of pine that turns into a
  >> pizza with a large Coke at midnight, everybody would love you.
  >... and then they will kill you the next day when they find out you've
  >eaten it.

Not too bad, right?  

  >> However, I still cannot quite see where this thread is leading to.
  >I hear that emacs-20 will have mind-reading and future-telling...
  >Followup-To: comp.religion.editors

If you want to use any flavour of emacs, you have to have been born with
these abilities. BTW, comp.religion alone will do. Emacs is, after all, the
editor of gods. =8-}

Later,
Robin

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:25:33 GMT

On 1 May 1997, Sven Guckes wrote:
> 
> Let Vi automatically wrap the lines for you!
> Just set the "wrapmargin"!
> 
> Example:
> 
> 	:set wrapmargin=8
> 
> [ ... ]
> 
> With the Vi clone "Vim" (Vi IMProved") you can set the maximum width with
> 
> 	:set textwidth=72

Does anyone know if there is a Windows 95 vi or vi clone that has
something analagous to pico's ^J to justify an already-written
paragraph?  I know that in Unix vi you can send a paragraph through
fmt but I'm wondering how to do this type of thing in the Windows
95 world.

Thanks much,
Nancy

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