Subject: Don't expand newsgroups

From: Steven Whatley <[email-masked]>
Date: 9 May 1997 21:02:20 GMT

Actually I have a few pine questions. I've checked the FAQ.

How do I get pine to not expand the newsgroup fold but still expand the 
mail folders?  I'm using pine 3.90.

What is the latest version of pine?  3.96?  What was the release date?  
My ISP claims pine isn't being supported any more and is "old".  Where is 
the official site to retrieve the latest version?

I really like pine. I rather telnet to my ISP to use pine rather than 
using Endura (or Pegasus Mail) via POP3.

Thanks,
Steven
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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:41:18 +0100 (BST)

> mail folders?  I'm using pine 3.90.

You can't do this in any version of Pine.  The default is either to expand
collections or to not expand them.  (I think there have been rumours of
more per-folder and/or per-collection control in a future release but am
not sure.)

> My ISP claims pine isn't being supported any more and is "old".

3.96 is indeed the current version of Pine.

I don't know if there's an official release of dates past versions were
released anywhere, but going off the date-stamps of the old versions'
distribution files:

	3.87	< 23 Aug 1994
	3.88	< 23 Aug 1994
	3.89	< 23 Aug 1994
	3.90	26 Aug 1994
	3.91	11 Oct 1994
	3.92	18 Mar 1996
	3.93	11 Apr 1996
	3.94	12 Jun 1996
	3.95	15 Jul 1996
	3.96	28 Feb 1996

Version 4.00 is being developed by the Pine Team even now.

Perhaps what your ISP is _really_ saying is that _they_ don't support Pine
any more?!

> Where is the official site to retrieve the latest version? 

	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/

You can get the source code kit and compile it yourself, or pull a
pre-compiled binary for a number of platforms.

If you have a PC running Windows *and* your ISP provides an IMAP server
then you may like to investigate PC-Pine (which runs on your PC).
Available from the same place.

Cheers,

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From: "Robert J. Wilshe" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:15:32 -0500 (CDT)

> Perhaps what your ISP is _really_ saying is that _they_ don't support Pine

I think what Steve's ISP or admin is saying is:  Gee, I can't really
figure out how to use anything besides a graphical client (like Eudora,
etc.), therefore anything I don't understand is "old" and not used.  I had
an experience with an ISP who told me the same thing when I was discussing
a Pine issue with them.  I cancelled my account the next day.  It was
painfully obvious they had no clue how to use Pine, or BSD Mail, or any
text-based client, much less any intention of supporting one.  

A friend told me this when we were discussing the fate of Pine and other
UNIX based mailers:  "The techs and code-geeks (his words, and he's one of
them :) will always have to provide solutions to those who refuse to type,
stretch their minds, or generally have to think.  We like text based mail,
and generally the rest of the Internet how *we* designed it.  That way,
it'll still be usable by intelligent people, and the GUI's will keep the
money, popularity, and content increasing and flowing."

Yeah... he's a little pretentious, but I think he has interesting point.

As Mike suggested, see if your ISP supports IMAP and get a copy of
PC-Pine.  Don't worry:  Pine's here to stay.  That is, until they develop
a GUI mailer that can allow thousands of University students to read,
store, and compose mail without getting a computing lab machine's
configuration and resources all screwed up.  GUI clients are just starting
to allow access to multiple mailboxes over IMAP.  Pine's WAY ahead of the
game for this purpose.

OK, I'm off of my soapbox now... :)

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From: Steven Whatley <[email-masked]>
Date: 13 May 1997 18:40:43 GMT

Steven Whatley <[email-masked]> wrote:
: How do I get pine to not expand the newsgroup fold but still expand the 
: mail folders?  I'm using pine 3.90.

I ended up turning off expanded-view-of-folders and setting up a initical
key sequence of l,CR.  It gives the same affect.  The reason I wanted to
do this is it was taking a long time to do a folder list becasue it has to
expand the newsgroup every time.  My provider supplies 28,000+ newsgroups
through his newsfeed.  I normally don't use pine for news.  But there 
have been occasions I had to use Pine to read certain binary posts.

Thanks,
Steven