Subject: + mark signifying mails to you

From: Abhay Roy <[email-masked]>
Date: 25 May 1997 02:15:57 GMT

Pine has this nice way of showing a + sign, in front of every mails which
has your address in the To: field. But it doesn't see the Cc: list. If there
was way (feature / hidden feature) to make it look at both To: and Cc: list 
to show the + sign ?

Regards,
-Roy-
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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:34:17 +0100 (BST)

No, there isn't an option to make the "+" "direct to you" marker appear
for messages cc'd to you.  This is because the "+" means "direct to
you"... in other words messages for which you are listed as a primary
recipient (in the "To:" list).  The marker serves to highlight and
distinguish these from messages which are merely being cc'd to you
(presumably for informational purposes), or in whose headers your address
doesn't appear at all (eg, from a mailing list).

Cheers,

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From: Abhay Roy <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:53:31 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 27 May 1997, Mike Brudenell wrote:

+ No, there isn't an option to make the "+" "direct to you" marker appear
+ for messages cc'd to you.  This is because the "+" means "direct to
+ you"... in other words messages for which you are listed as a primary
+ recipient (in the "To:" list).  The marker serves to highlight and
+ distinguish these from messages which are merely being cc'd to you
+ (presumably for informational purposes), or in whose headers your address
+ doesn't appear at all (eg, from a mailing list).

I understand. But I think *for informational purposes* is the part which I
would like to disagree. It happens (way too many times), that we start a
discussion by sending mail to (say) 5 people, with one name in the To, and
others in Cc. As the discussion moves, people hit 'r' (and assume that all
on list are *live* listeners). So it arrives in the mail folder of the person,
who was *not* the last one to comment (so of course, he now moves in the Cc
list). And now it is not + marked ;( (Well, you can argue, that probably you
could screen the subject field .. but with me receiving well above 200 mails a
day, I wouldn't prefer such a solution). So I think it might be wise to
1. Have + mark for Both To and Cc fields
2. (Ugly ?) Have + mark for To and - (unused so far ?) for Cc ?

Regards,
-Roy-

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From: [email-masked] (Sylvain Robitaille)
Date: 29 May 1997 02:37:35 GMT

On 27 May 1997 09:06:35 -0700, Abhay Roy <[email-masked]> wrote:
>list). And now it is not + marked ;(

Unfortunately, the only suggestion I can come up with is to have an agreement
among those involved, (right from the beginning), that each person
contributing to the discussion will make a point of verifying the headers
before sending the message. Not ideal, but certainly simple.

>(Well, you can argue, that probably you could screen the subject field .. but
>with me receiving well above 200 mails a day, I wouldn't prefer such a
>solution).

I think you need procmail. You could have the messages automatically sorted,
based on criteria which you determine, (and which you can update, etc).

>So I think it might be wise to

Not a terrible idea, though I think it might be somewhat confusing at times.

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From: [email-masked] (Holger Lillqvist)
Date: 29 May 1997 09:14:30 GMT

> 2. (Ugly ?) Have + mark for To and - (unused so far ?) for Cc ?

If you receive 200 mails a day you may want to use procmail to put your
list mail directly in their respective folders. As Pine (like Mutt)
supports multiple incoming mailboxes, you can then easily cycle through
folders which have received new mail. This way, the cc'd mail won't
drown among list mail in your inbox.

Regards,

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From: [email-masked] (Holger Lillqvist)
Date: 29 May 1997 08:59:30 GMT

> doesn't appear at all (eg, from a mailing list).

Pine's mail markers are rather primitive and unsufficient. FYI, this is
how Mutt, my favorite mail program, in an exemplary way handles this
thing (I quote from the manual's configuration section):

"   to_chars 
    Type: string 
    Default: " +TCF" 

Controls the character used to indicate mail addressed to you. The first
character is the one used when the mail is NOT addressed to your address
(default: space). The second is used when you are the only recipient of
the message (default: +). The third is when your address appears in the
TO header field, but you are not the only recipient of the message
(default: T). The fourth character is used when your address is
specified in the CC header field, but you are not the only recipient
(default: C). The fifth character is used to indicate mail that was sent
by you (default: F)."

( For more information:  http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~me/mutt/ )