Subject: Re: Folder is Unkillable

From: "Solange Didier" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:38:29 PDT

If you can't in any way erase the folder, have you tried to just rename it to a 
folder that you want to put in anyways? (I know it's probably bad advice, but if 
you can't get rid of it anyways...)

>I was experimenting with how to create new mail folders, and want to kill
>off an experimental one.  I highlight it, hit "D", answer "Yes", and it
>disappears.  I get a nice confirmation message to boot.  I've done this a
>bunch of times.
>
>But then when I open up Pine again, the damn thing is BACK!  I can't kill
>it!! 
>
>I've gone to $HOME and looked for it, thinking that I could rm it.  But
>its not there.  I've even created it, gone into Pine and deleted it,
>confirmed that it had disappeared from $HOME, and the little b*stard
>reappeared when I next fired up Pine.
>
>I think that I must be doing something wrong... :-)
>
>Please help.
>
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From: Robin S Socha <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:13:31 +0200 (CEST)

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On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Solange Didier wrote:

Renaming it isn't what the customer asked for, Didier...

Ok, here's what might be wrong:

1. Check where your mail folders are. Probably not ~/ (or $home), but rather
   ~/Mail/ or something. You'll find the path in your ~/.pinerc or in the
   s(etup), c(onfig) screen within pine.

2. Say
	ps -ax | grep -i pine
   to see if another instance of pine is running that might make your
   session read-only. I suspect that this is the case because you cannot
   permanently change your setup.

3. If so, say:
	killall pine 
   to kill all running sessions. If that doesn't work, there is something
   wrong with your setup in general, so let's try to fix the problem
   manually:
   
4. Edit your .pinerc, e.g. by saying:
	pico ~/.pinerc
   and check for the following passage. Then make sure the format of the
   entry goes like this:
	
   # List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g.
   # ={host2}inbox,{host3}inbox Syntax: optnl-label
   # {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path
   incoming-folders="test1"     ~/Mail/IN/IN.test1,
   	            "test2"     ~/Mail/IN/IN.test2,
                    "test3"     ~/Mail/IN/IN.test3
                
   Mark that there is no comma in the last line... Setting up folders in the
   way displayed here seems a good idea in general (and which I leeched from
   Nancy McGoughs fabulous mail filtering faq)

5. If you cannot edit your ~/.pinerc, it's set read-only (say: ls -al
   .pinerc to check that), either throw up your hands in despair and kneel
   before the altar of the helpdesk guys (a generous amount of humility
   always seems to be in place with them ...) or read a couple of man pages
   (which is a good idea in general, too...), e.g. pine, pico, chown, chmod
   and procmail. That should get you started
   --- or frustrated
   >:->
   
Later,
Robin
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  >If you can't in any way erase the folder, have you tried to just rename
  >it to a folder that you want to put in anyways? (I know it's probably bad
  >advice, but if you can't get rid of it anyways...)
  >>I was experimenting with how to create new mail folders, and want to
  >>kill off an experimental one. I highlight it, hit "D", answer "Yes", and
  >>it disappears. I get a nice confirmation message to boot. I've done this
  >>a bunch of times. But then when I open up Pine again, the damn thing is
  >>BACK! I can't kill it!! I've gone to $HOME and looked for it, thinking
  >>that I could rm it. But its not there. I've even created it, gone into
  >>Pine and deleted it, confirmed that it had disappeared from $HOME, and
  >>the little b*stard reappeared when I next fired up Pine.