Subject: pine folders

From: "Allison G. Weeks" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:39:52 -0700 (MST)

is there any way to construct new folders for my saved messages within
pine?  I would like to be able to save my messages in catagories of my own
choosing ie.  one folder for stuff sent to me for school, one for personal
etc.  Also, is there any limit to how many messages i can store at any one
time?

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:59:29 +0100 (CET)

>etc.  Also, is there any limit to how many messages i can store at any one

1. You don't want to save those messages, but fcc: them instead - folder
carbon copy. In order to do this, you need to take the address book and fill
in an fcc: for the respective person. Pine will then ask you if it should
create a folder next time you send this person a message.

2. "for stuff sent to [you] for school", i.e. incoming mail, you'll need a
filtering program. Check:
ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de for:
	pub/packages/procmail/procmail.tar.gz.
There  exists  a mailinglist for questions relating to any program in the
procmail package: 
	<[email-masked]> for submitting questions/answers. 
	<[email-masked]> for subscription requests.

3. The only limit you might have for storing messages is the size of your
hdd - physical or virtual. Check the free space with
	df
or
	quota
or check the space your directories take with
	du

Cheers,
Robin

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:13:06 +0000 (GMT)

Could I just expand on some of Robin's comments about folders in Pine a
little...

> create a folder next time you send this person a message.

This is for messages you send out to others and for which you want to keep
copies.  A number of people do this by cc-ing a copy of the message to
themselves (by putting their own e-mail address in the "Cc:" header field
of the message).  However a much more efficient way is to use the "Fcc"
trick Robin mentions.

"Fcc" (File Carbon Copy) simply saves a copy of the message straight to
the specified folder.  Compare this with Cc, which e-mails you a copy of
the message (perhaps involving delays if your mail server is overloaded)
which then arrives back in your INBOX along with all the other messages
you receive.  It is then up to you to Save it to a folder.  Much simpler
to use Fcc and just put it straight into the folder automatically as the
message is first sent.

If you just want to save the occasional outgoing message you can do this
by putting the cursor on the any of the header lines of th emessage you're
composing and then typing ^R (Rich Headers).  This shows you _all_ the
headers that are available to you to set.  One of these is the "Fcc:"
header, into which you can type the name of a folder (see below).  If you
can't remember the folder name you can use ^T (To Folders) to dispay them
and pick one using the cursor keys.

If, however, you want to save copies of most/all of your outgoing messages
then it is best to set up a default fcc folder.  Every message you then
send will then have a copy saved to this folder.  You set this up in
Pine's Setup Configuration screen (S then C at the Main Menu) by giving
the name of the folder to use (often "sent-mail") as the value for the
"default-fcc" variable.

If you occasionally send a message you _don't_ want saving in this folder
(perhaps it has a very large file attached to it) then use the ^R trick
mentioned above to see the Rich Headers when composing your message and
_delete_ the (default) folder name from the "Fcc:" header line.  Of course
you can also do this to specify some other folder to save the message to
instead.

One last neat trick in this area is in the Address Book.  For each entry
in your Address Book you can, if you wish, set up an Fcc value.  If you
send a message/reply/etc to this person (and they are the first e-mail
address mentioned in the "To:" field) this folder will be used for the Fcc
copy instead of the default folder.  This helps you automatically file
outgoing messages sent to a colleague into the folder you keep for use
with their messages.

> 	<[email-masked]> for subscription requests.

Actually you only need procmail (or filter, or any of the other foltering
programs) if you want to direct incoming messages into folders _as they
arrive_ (ie, before you've even read it).  This can be useful at times if,
for example, you're a member of several busy mailing lists.  Using
procmail you can direct messages from each list into a separate folder
just for that list and read them later at your leisure.

Indeed, you can even set Pine up to "know" about these alternate incoming
folders by editing its .pinerc settings file and listing the folders'
names as the value of the "incoming-folders" variable.  Then, when you
reach the end of one of these incoming folders (eg, your usual INBOX), you
can just press the Tab key for Pine to automatically check the other
incoming folders for recent mail; if it finds any it will offer you the
chance to read it. 

If you are happy with receiving mail just in your INBOX (a lot of people
are) you might perhaps be asking just how to (manually) save messages to
folders to keep for later reference.  This is very easy:

*  Just read the message (or put your cursor on it in the Index screen),
   then

*  Type S (Save).  This will ask you for the name of a folder to store the
   message in.  Just type in the folder name and press Return: the message
   will be saved into it.  If you can't remember the folder name type ^T
   and Pine will show you a list of all the existing folders and let you
   pick one with the cursor keys.

*  If you type in a name of a folder which doesn't exist Pine will offer
   to create it for you (this is how you make a new folder).

You can see what folders you have, open them, rename them, delete them,
etc, in the List Folders screen (give the L command at most screens: Main
Menu; Index screen; message reading screen; etc)

Further reading: The built-in help in some of Pine's screens:
	*  The Main Menu
	*  The Folder List (L command's screen)
	*  The Folder Index (I command's screen)

> or check the space your directories take with

"df" tells you the amount of free space left on your computer's various
disks (you may not be allowed to use some of the disks, or all of the
space on a particular disk!).  To just check "your" disk (where your
current directory lives) try:

	df .

which will omit all the other disk drives, perhaps making it easier to see
which figure applies to you.

"quota" warns you if you have exceeded your normal storage allowance on
the disk drive, as set by the manager of your computer system.  If you are
under this normal allowance it just doesn't say anything (at least, on
most systems).  To see how much quota you have in use try adding the "-v'
option to the command:

	quota -v

By the way, be warned that your computer _may_ use different units for the
figures given by df, du and quota.  For example on our systems df and du
reports in "blocks" (where 1 blobk = 512 bytes = 0.5 Kb for our disks),
but quota reports in Kb.  This can confuse people who think that du and
quota are reporting wildly different usage figures, when in fact they
should be pretty close/identical.

Cheers,

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:19:37 +0100 (CET)

>> On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Allison G. Weeks wrote:

[...]

  >arrive_ (ie, before you've even read it).
[...]  
  >folders to keep for later reference.

You might still want to run a filtering program to save you the hassle of
saving manually *after* you read the message. Of course, procmail can do
that, too.
  
  >This is very easy:
  >   message in.  Just type in the folder name and press Return: 

You don't have to type the entire name, as pine offers tab-completion. Give
your folders *unique* names and press tab after the first two or three
letters....

  >most systems).  To see how much quota you have in use try adding the "-v'

Some "further reading" also made me aware of this:

   Some of the options which can be set when compiling:
      USE_QUOTAS
      Determines whether quotas are checked on startup. Default is to not
      check the quota.

That's a pretty neat feature...

Cheers,
Robin

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