Subject: Configuration Question

From: Beth Protz <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:10:21 -0500

Thanks to everyone who sent me info on uploading a file!!!

It took two weeks, but I've finally figured it out!!!

Now, I have another question!

I tried to change the column wrap-around width to 132 characters, but the
default max value is 80.

Is there any way to change that?

Oh, and one more thing...

For some reason, when I upload a text file from my word-processing program to
Pine, it's placing a blank line between each line of text.

Can this be stopped?

I really appreciate all of your help!!!

Happy St. Valentine's Day to all!!!
Keep smiling!!!

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:37:27 +0100 (CET)

>Is there any way to change that?

If there is, it should be liquidated. You *don't* want that many lines
because e.g. the people on VT100 terminals.

  >For some reason, when I upload a text file from my word-processing
  >program to Pine, it's placing a blank line between each line of text.
  >
  >Can this be stopped?

zip the file first?

Cheers,
Robin

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From: [email-masked] (Greg Sullivan)
Date: 13 Feb 1997 18:10:13 GMT

>Is there any way to change that?

     PLEASE do not consider doing this.  The majority of people read their
e-mail on systems that have 80 column displays.  The line-wrapping that
happens to messages written with 132 characters per line does not look
very nice and gets very hard on the eyes.

>Pine, it's placing a blank line between each line of text.

     May I recomment that you stop using a word-processing program to edit
your e-mail responses and start useing a text editor [ie DOS Edit, Qedit,
Windows Notepad, etc...].  Word-processors are not the greatest programs
when it comes to editing simple text only files.

	Sully
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From: sonzy <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:35:04 +0530 (IST)

> when it comes to editing simple text only files.

Hi Greg,
Well even if we use a DOS EDIT or any Simple TEXT or ASCII Editor, then
also when we upload the text file in the message using protocol as ASCII ,
then during that ASCII upload, it leaves one blank line between each line
though sometimes.THis has been a problem with me also.Any reasons?

Sonu.

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 13:28:23 +0100 (CET)

>>      May I recomment that you stop using a word-processing program to
  >> edit your e-mail responses and start useing a text editor [ie DOS Edit,
  >> Qedit, Windows Notepad, etc...]. Word-processors are not the greatest
  >> programs when it comes to editing simple text only files.
  >Hi Greg, Well even if we use a DOS EDIT or any Simple TEXT or ASCII
  >Editor, then also when we upload the text file in the message using
  >protocol as ASCII , then during that ASCII upload, it leaves one blank
  >line between each line though sometimes.THis has been a problem with me
  >also.Any reasons?

Very wild guess, but where do you upload those files to? If you upload them
to a u*ix-system, it could be a "dos2unix"-problem... Try this for a change:
	recode ibmpc:lat1 <filename>
If it works, you could put it in a simple shell script...

Cheers,
Robin

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From: Matthew Schinckel <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 23:29:07 +930

> though sometimes.THis has been a problem with me also.Any reasons?

This is due to the way that different operating systems, and sometimes 
even different applications, store EOLs (End of Lines).  There are two 
characters that can be used in ASCII - LF (Line Feed) and CR (Carriage 
Return).  Some systems use one, some use both.

Well, that's the reason.  To fix it you could find some sort of 
translation program, or find an editor that can save as a 
Un*x/Mac/DOS/Amiga etc. text file.

I don't know which system uses which method of storing EOLs.
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From: sonzy <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 22:10:02 +0530 (IST)

> If it works, you could put it in a simple shell script...
Hi Robin,
Well as I already mentioned, I ASCII Upload them into the message itself
i.e I insert them INLINE into the message and that's when they leave a
blank line.

Sonu.

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:54:02 -0500

On 12 Feb 1997, Beth Protz wrote:

> [part of the post omitted]
> 

    When you are preparing a message to send out over the Internet --
which is why I presume you are uploading it so that Pine can do
something with it -- I strongly urge that you do not use a word
processing program at all: use a text editor.  Unless users are
knowledgeable and sophisticated in using their programs correctly, my
observation has been that word processors cause a lot of grief, because
what people see on their screens is often *NOT* what winds up going out
to the world.

    Word processors tend to do a lot of internal jiggery-pokery with
files which is not transferable to the larger world out there.  One
simply cannot assume that what they see is what their recipients will
see -- frequently the recipients see a lot of garbage-looking
characters, overlength lines, blank lines, and so on.  Preparing files
with a word processor for transmission is a tricky business.

    Word processors definitely have a place in this world, but I am not
convinced that preparing files for transmission via Pine is that place.

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