Subject: Re: black n white problem

From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 07:44:34 +0800

> 
> In a previous article, [email-masked] (Tracey Gaulrapp) says:
> 
> >     I truly need someone's help out there. Here is the problem.
> >I am using and have been using pine for a few years now. I recently
> >bought a new computer and my text and background are reversed in color.
> >When I sign into "general" to get to the pine menu everything is fine.
> >But when I type in menu or pine to get into the email my screen is
>  black
> >and my text is white. This is disturbing to my eyes and I have no idea
> >how to fix it. It is so weird because when I firt dial in, all text is
> >black and the background is white the way it should be.
> >Please help me.
> >
> >Tracey A. Gaulrapp
> >[email-masked]
> >Graphic Design Program
> >Arizona State University
> 
> NO, Tracey, YOU ARE WRONG. **NORMAL** TEXT **IS** WHITE TEXT ON BLACK
> BACKGROUND!!!  THAT IS NORMAL FOR ALL COMPUTERS FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS.
> You must be using a god damn GUI -- probably Windows, right??? Ugh!!!
> It is the black on white shit that is "disturbing" -- it is VERY BAD
> on the eyes, causing eye strain. I can sit (and have) in front of a
> white on black background for hours with no problem whatsoever. Pine
> is SUPPOSED to be white on black background -- the NORMAL display for
> all computers. I cannot help you. Get rid of your damn GUI and start
> using DOS and/or Linux. GUIs are for little children and high school
> dropouts.

        Well, this is certainly not a question of right or wrong.  And it 
really isn't necessary to "SHOUT" at Tracey or belittle ones choice of using 
DOS, Win95, or even OS/2.  The fact that a certain screen format may cause 
you eyestrain is not indicative of what it may do to another person.

        Anyway....  I suspect that the problem, undesireable shift in 
display mode, may be caused by the a control charater being interpreted by 
the terminal emulation program as a command to shift display mode.  Without 
more
information of what terminal emulation program is in use it will be hard to
determine the next course of action.  If possible, I'd suggest trying a 
different user's method of accessing the system and see if the problem 
persists.

        Regards,

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From: Tracey Gaulrapp <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:50:49 -0700 (MST)

Ed,
       I don't know who you are, nor you me, and I am really glad I don't 
know you.  All I did was ask for some assistance, not your snide remarks.
I have my preferences and you have yours.  You had no right lashing out 
at me, or telling me what kind of operating system I should be using. I 
hope you're not this unprofessional all the time. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~      _
Tracey A. Gaulrapp        
[email-masked]
Graphic Design Program                       
Arizona State University

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:05:10 +0100 (CET)

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:05:10 +0100 (CET)

On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Tracey Gaulrapp wrote:
  >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:50:49 -0700 (MST)
  >From: Tracey Gaulrapp <[email-masked]>
  >To: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>[B
  >Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked],
  >    Tracey Gaulrapp <[email-masked]>
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
	Never heard of fcc:, have we?
  >Subject: Re: black n white problem
  
Robin says: FLAMEWAR TIME!!!  

  >know you.  

If you knew him, you'd not have said that.

  >All I did was ask for some assistance, not your snide remarks. I have my
  >preferences and you have yours. You had no right lashing out at me, or
  >telling me what kind of operating system I should be using. I hope you're
  >not this unprofessional all the time.

Dear Tracey A. Gaulrapp,

don't we all sometimes sit down and wonder what all these funny little signs
on that big square thing in front of us mean?

Now, in this case it might have been helpful to think about these letters:

[email-masked]

Doesn't ring a bell? Thought so... My my, were we getting kicks out of
flaming people without thinking first, hm? Now, here's a bit out of the
original message in case you haven't forgotten to read in the meantime:

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From: [email-masked] (Don Krull)

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Next, you might want to ponder the meaning of all those little ">" signs
that happen to appear now and then...

  >> > In a previous article, [email-masked] (Tracey Gaulrapp) says:

Hmmm, could it be you're not able to count to three? Or didn't you read the
manual? There's >> > for you and > for Ed... What might >> be?

Enough of that... Next time you flame a person, make sure you hit the right
one. Ceterum censeo that [email-masked] (Don Krull) is a show-off
who's trying to impress people with half-digested snippets from third class
hacker-slang-dictionaries. Please flame him _personally_.

flame off ---->/

Cheers,
Robin

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   Robin S. Socha	 Political Incorrectness Dept.	Tel: +49(0228)22217-8
   Bonner Talweg 56	 Bonn University		Fax: +49(0228)22217-9
   53113 Bonn		 email: [email-masked]
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       On the package it said: "Requires MS Windows 3.11 or better"  
	       			      ...  so I got myself Linux. 
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From: Lea <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:49:15 -0700 (MST)

>   >    Tracey Gaulrapp <[email-masked]>
<snip>

Well, this was indeed a banner day.  I agree with
Robin wholeheartedly, and I'll bet neither Robin nor I
thought that was going to happen anytime soon :-)

It takes awhile to get to 'know' personalities behind
e-mail postings, Tracey, and the thing on this list is,
we all know Ed pretty well - certainly well enough to
know there's no way he'd post the stuff you thought
came from him.  Heck, I didn't even see the original
message, yet I knew reading your post that the stuff
you were quoting couldn't have come from Ed.  It's
never a bad idea to post flames directly to the flamee,
and in this case, you would have been better off doing
that...

Anyhow, later...

Lea

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From: [email-masked] (Sven Guckes)
Date: 11 Feb 1997 13:52:29 GMT

[email-masked] (Tracey Gaulrapp):
> Ed, I don't know who you are, nor you me, and I am really glad I don't 

The answer you did not like was not sent by Ed.
Next time you better take a second look.

> You had no right lashing out at me, or telling me
> what kind of operating system I should be using.

But we do have a right to say what we are thinking.
Whiner.

Sven