Subject: Pine 3.93 hangs in justify

From: Dave Aronson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:28:15 -0500

When replying to a message, and killing quoted text, sometimes I
accidentally hit ^J (Justify) instead of ^K (Kill).  They are, after
all, right next to each other.  B-(  Under some mailreaders, no big
deal, I wind up with a sloppy-looking mess... but under Pine, it seems
to go into an infinite loop, tacking on more and more lines with nothing
but the quote marker (the other guy's userid plus a bracket), and not
stopping until it runs out of room!  Usually I first get sick of it and
"kill -9" it from another window!

Other than typing more carefully, upgrading (which, not being the
sysadmin, I don't think I am authorized to do), using an alternate
editor (I hate vi with a passion and xemacs takes forever to load), or
using an alternate mailreader (Netscape hangs on the way into news and
elm threw several hissyfits before I gave up), is there anything I can
do to avoid this? 

(On a related note, is there some way to get it to take just the first
LETTER of the userid, or maybe of each dot-separated word, or maybe the
first letter of each word in the "real name or stupid comment" part,
rather than the whole darn userid?  I didn't see anything relevant in
the setup-config screens, but maybe I missed something....)

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:59:37 -0500

On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Dave Aronson wrote:

> accidentally hit ^J (Justify) instead of ^K (Kill).  [...]
> 
> sysadmin, [etc.]
>                                                is there anything I can
> [rest of post omitted]

    You are not alone in striking adjacent keys and having something
occur other than what you intended.  Happens all the time to me. 
However, you might want to consider the alternate editor feature again. 
There _are_ other editors available than vi and its offspring and
various incarnations of Emacs.

   For example, I use Joe, which I consider an "intermediate" editor 
in between the primitiveness of the Pine composer and the horrors of
vi/Emacs.  And it is configurable, so you can rebind keystrokes to your
pleasure if you don't like the defaults that come with it.  (It even
comes with a "SuperPico" emulation.)  I have a pointer to it on my home
page.  I'm no hotshot Un*x programmer, but it compiled first time for
me right out of the box (then I discovered my ISP already supplied
it).

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From: "Robin S. Socha" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:00:21 +0100 (CET)

>> Other than typing more carefully, upgrading (which, not being the

[...]

  >   For example, I use Joe, which I consider an "intermediate" editor in
  >between the primitiveness of the Pine composer and the horrors of
  >vi/Emacs. 

ME TOO!!!

Sorry, just kidding... Joe is smaller and easier to use than VI (Ruhe hier,
Sven! >;->) and it's justification is a lot nicer than pico's, because it
takes care of your reply marks (">").

  >And it is configurable, so you can rebind keystrokes to your
  >pleasure if you don't like the defaults that come with it. (It even comes
  >with a "SuperPico" emulation.) 

       "JOE also emulates several other editors.  JSTAR is a close immitation
       of WordStar with many "JOE" extensions. JPICO is a close immitation
       of the Pine mailing system's PICO editor, but with many extensions
       and improvements. JMACS is a GNU-EMACS immitation. RJOE is a
       restricted version of JOE, which allowes you to edit only the files
       specified on the command line."

I was wondering why it had to be pico of all editors that comes with pine.
At least someone might expand its justification mechanism, because the way
it is, it's rather hard to handle...
       
  >I have a pointer to it on my home page. I'm no hotshot Un*x programmer,
  >but it compiled first time for me right out of the box (then I discovered
  >my ISP already supplied it).

There's an elf binary out there, too.

Happy Spammingtine's day %-)
Robin

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