Subject: Pine for X-windows?

From: Kenn Goutal <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:48:32 -0500

I use Pine on a UNIX box (via terminal emulator and dial-up) at home,
and I LOVE it.  (My kids do, too.)

At work, use CDE (Common Desktop Environment) on X-Windows on Sun/Solaris.
Is there a version of Pine that does all the things Pine does so well,
and uses all the same file formats, but uses the X-windows interface
to allow point'n'click operation using a mouse?

-- Kenn Goutal
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From: Edward M Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:01:19 +0800 (GMT)

> to allow point'n'click operation using a mouse?

	*ALL* the things pine does so well??

	No, but you can try the new beta client from SUN call "roam".
I believe you can find it from their main web server:

	http://www.sun.com

	Not a bad package....but not yet up to pine standards.

	Ed

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From: Clifford Wesley Fulford <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:59:41 +0000 (GMT)

Not quite fair Ed. 

If Kenn sets
	enable-mouse-in-xterm
and starts pine in an xterm (which can be put into a menu option within
the window manager menus) then he can use the mouse to point and click. It
doesn't look like what most people thing of as a windows interface but it
does work (and the command set is still available).

I find it easier an quicker to use the command set most of the time but
sometimes cutting and pasting with the mouse, particularly between the
message I'm reading and the one I'm writing, is really useful.

I've tried Suns offering. I'm not one life's natural wimp'ers and 
after a couple of days of irritability went back to Pine, I did however
find it the most uncluttered example of the genre that I've seen.

I wonder how many of us are using Pine for ourselves, and perhaps the
Washington IMAP server, but supporting all sorts of horrible MUAs for
users who must have buttons to press? 
 
Clifford Wesley Fulford
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