Subject: MacIntosh, Pine and extended Characters?

From: [email-masked] (Friedhelm Pielage)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:21:33 GMT

A friend of mine has a MacIntosh and uses the Pine program for email. We
correspond in German, so that there are some extended characters (Umlaute,
those with two points on top).

I post Umlaute with Mime, quoted printable, but she can't see them. If she
replies the Umlaute, I can see the characters as I posted them.

This are the Mime settings in her mail:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

So what can she do for seeing my Umlaute. And how can she do it?
(I've never seen this Pine program)

Thanks.
Friedhelm

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From: [email-masked] (Jie Yuan)
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:16:08 GMT

> (I've never seen this Pine program)

How does your friend use Pine on Mac?  I assume it is done through a telnet
login.  If that is the case, it is up to the telnet software to display the
character set.  Try the freeware NiftyTelnet and see if it helps.

Alternatively, your friend can use MailDrop to access all the IMAP folders
in the account where Pine has created them.  I like MailDrop alot.  Make
sure you use the latest beta version.  Older versions are too simple and
don't work too well.

NiftyTelnet's home page is at:

	http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/dist/niftytelnet.html

MailDrop's home is at:

	http://ackmo.baylor.edu/files/Mail_Drop/info.html

Just my 2c.

Jie
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From: [email-masked] (Orjan Johansen)
Date: 8 Nov 1996 21:01:35 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
Ted Y. Wilson <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Did you ever get umlauts to work?  Does anyone
>know how to modify Pine setup/configuration to
>send and receive umlauts?  I changed the character-set
>line to ISO-8859-1, but it didn't solve the problem.

I believe that is all that is needed from within pine. However, you
also need to set up your terminal such that it transmits the
characters correctly.

In my .bashrc I have the following:

        export LC_CTYPE=iso_8859_1
if tty -s; then
        stty cs8 -istrip -parenb >&0
fi

In my .login for tcsh on another machine I have

stty -istrip
stty pass8
setenv LC_TYPE iso_8859_1

Which to use depends on your UNIX shell, and the exact syntax might
differ between UNIX versions.

The LC_TYPE is not necessary for pine but might be useful for other
programs.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:48:40 -0500

> line to ISO-8859-1, but it didn't solve the problem.

    By itself, Pine will not show you umlauts -- or any other
diacritical mark on any character.  For display purposes, Pine simply
takes whatever bit pattern there is for each character and passes it
unchanged to the display hardware you are using, or to the
communication link, as the case may be.  In a sense, Pine doesn't show
you *anything* -- your hardware does.

    Therefore, your hardware display must be capable of displaying the
characters, and you must make sure that any communications link doesn't
mess things up (such as stripping off the high-order bit from each
character).

    For example, I use a DOS PC dialed into a Un*x system, on which
Pine runs.  I get mail and newsgroup postings in ISO-8859-1.  To view
those postings correctly, I must load code page 819 on my PC, in place
of the default code page 437.  You may need to do something comparable
or analogous to make sure that your hardware is displaying the proper
characters.  (DOS code pages are essentially instructions to the
hardware how to display all 256 possible characters in non-graphics
mode.)

    Pine is probably not the problem here.

Paul                             <[email-masked]>
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