Subject: Re: A Wish for the Folks at PINE

From: [email-masked] (DearOldDad)
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:56:28 GMT

Mike Harris ([email-masked]) wrote:
: 	I would like to ask the PINE development team if they could
: 	install control keys that would let one go to the beginning
: 	and to the end of a message either within the composer or 
: 	within reading a message.  This would be especially useful
: 	when blocking text, as currently if one wants to highlight
: 	text from one point to the end of a document, they have to
: 	hit Next Pg as many times as it takes -- which can be a 
: 	pain in the tuchus.

If you look at the options available at the bottom of the screen you will
see that (while reading):
"w" followed by "^V" (control + v) takes you to the bottom
"w" followed by "^Y" (control + y) takes you to the top
and while composing (in pico) use ^W rather than w then ^v or ^y

Hope that helps ... BYE

: 	And, of course, a killfile feature would be nice.

It might, but be warned that killfiles slow down loading (retrieving).

Bye again.  John

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From: [email-masked] (Speed Racer)
Date: 6 Nov 1996 02:58:40 GMT

DearOldDad ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Mike Harris ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : 	I would like to ask the PINE development team if they could
: : 	install control keys that would let one go to the beginning
: : 	and to the end of a message either within the composer or 
: : 	within reading a message.  This would be especially useful
: : 	when blocking text, as currently if one wants to highlight
: : 	text from one point to the end of a document, they have to
: : 	hit Next Pg as many times as it takes -- which can be a 
: : 	pain in the tuchus.

: If you look at the options available at the bottom of the screen you will
: see that (while reading):
: "w" followed by "^V" (control + v) takes you to the bottom
: "w" followed by "^Y" (control + y) takes you to the top
: and while composing (in pico) use ^W rather than w then ^v or ^y

For some reason that doesn't exist in any of the versions we've had here 
and I'm using 3.95.

R.

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From: [email-masked] (Adam Tla/lka)
Date: 6 Nov 1996 09:12:36 GMT

>"w" followed by "^Y" (control + y) takes you to the top

  I've made a patch to abtain work of Home, End and other editing keys
  in all pine fields.
  If you use terminfo try it:
  
  ftp://ftp.pg.gda.pl/pub/software/services/mail/pine3.95L01at.diff.gz
  
 O-O  Adam Tla/lka      mailto:[email-masked]
  (   System  & Network Administration Group
  -  Computer Center,  Technical University of Gdansk, Poland

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:18:25 -0500

On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Mike Harris wrote:

> 	I would like to ask the PINE development team if they could
> 	install control keys that would let one go to the beginning
> 	and to the end of a message either within the composer or 
> 	within reading a message.  [...]

    Just for fun, try  Ctrl-W Ctrl-V  and  Ctrl-W Ctrl-Y  to see
what happens either viewing or composing.  :-)  (I think you might 
be pleasantly surprised with the results.)

> 	And, of course, a killfile feature would be nice.

    Killfile capability may be under consideration for a future version
of Pine, but only the Pine Development Team can speak properly to this.

Paul                             <[email-masked]>
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Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 19:31:49 -0800 (PST)

Speed,
I'd really like to understand your comment... This capability has been in
all versions of Pine for *years*...

-teg

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From: [email-masked] (DearOldDad)
Date: 9 Nov 1996 20:42:10 GMT

Terry Gray ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Speed,
: I'd really like to understand your comment... This capability has been in
: all versions of Pine for *years*...

: On 6 Nov 1996, Speed Racer wrote:
: > For some reason that doesn't exist in any of the versions we've had here 
: > and I'm using 3.95.

Terry; I thing he (and many other users) just overlook the "O" (o)ther
command posibilities available.  PINE and PICO show 8 or 10 commands
available on the first screen and the 2 most important are (o)ther and (?)
for help.  Maybe one of the more usefull things you could do in future
releases mayhaps be to somehow highlight those features and or remind
users periodically that they are available.  IMHO it would cut down about
80% of the traffic in comp.mail.pine ... You may wish for example to post
a periodic reminder of this here.  I know the FAQ is available, and
archives are available of prior posts etc etc but your average user
doesn't seem to either know that or know how to access them.  Only a few
thoughts ... Hope this helps ... BYE

For all others; PINE has context sensitive help available, just press ? 
anywhere anytime in pine or ^g in pico (compose) ... That's it. I'm off my
soapbox now.  BYE. 

John

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From: qman@lor501 (dave)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 15:54:08 -0500

>For some reason that doesn't exist in any of the versions we've had here 

We are rutgers have  3.95, and there is no  w at the bottom.  However,
if you do what was suggested, you will  get another menu.  The rest is
self explanatory.