Subject: Failed reply

From: [email-masked] (Adam Vardy)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 00:52:16 GMT

Anyone ever encounter this.  I use Tin for news reading.  I reply to one 
post typing in a long reply.  But later checking my Pine inbox, I get a 
message referring to mail delivery problems.

So now what to do?  If the reply failed, then I might as well post the 
message to usenet.  But I don't want to go and type it in again.  Maybe 
several pages.  There ought to be a way around this.

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From: Linda Emerson <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:50:20 -0800 (PST)

I never had this problem when I was using Tin.  As a suggestion, accessing
the newsgroups through Pine gets better & better everytime!  There are
lots of shortcuts to switch back & forth between news & mail and the Tin
delay time in reading the .newsrc file is non-existent.

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From: Adam Vardy <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 21:29:19 -0230 (NDT)

> delay time in reading the .newsrc file is non-existent.

Well I like Tin better.  With Pine you have to wade through many 
individual messages.  I get some delay time with either program though.  
Takes about 30 seconds to read that file when starting Tin.

My question is not about a problem with the program.  I just wish there 
was some real simple way to deal with the situation where the e-mail 
address of some person given by the news server is not correct.  I wish 
there was a simple way of posting that message once you find out there 
was a mail delivery problem, since replying by e-mail did not work.

- Adam

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From: Eric Tse <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:24:08 GMT

> several pages.  There ought to be a way around this.

  You can export the bounced e-mail into a file. Then use a text editor to
delete all the e-mail headers, with only the message body remaining in the
file. When you enter TIN to compose your follow-up, include (or import) 
this file into your article.
  If your text editor is Pico, press ^R to import the text file; if Vi,
type ":r filename".
  Hope this helps.

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From: Jeffrey Goldberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:38:19 +0100

> was a mail delivery problem, since replying by e-mail did not work.

I believe your question was how to resend a failed message without
having to retype to message.  Particularly when the original was
sent from a news reader such as tin.

There are two questions, really:

  Q: What to do about people who post to news with bad reply-addresses?

  A: I wish I knew.  Beyond scolding them gently (and without a proper
     email for them this can be difficult), there really is nothign to do.

  Q:  When I get a bounce message, how do I resend it?

  A:  If you have a better guess at the address of where to send it, you
      can try Forward and then change the subject line (remove tthe
      "(fwd)", edit out the mailer daemon junk in the body, and send it to
      the new guess of an address.

-jeff

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: 15 Sep 1996 10:21:21 -0400

[email-masked] (Adam Vardy) writes:
>I just wish there 

How about just typing F for forward and then ^R for rich headers
and then type the news group name(s) in the Newsgrps header, edit
the subject so that it is what it was in the bounced message and
then edit the message so that it's what you want to post and post
it using ^X.  This is one of the many advantages of Pine being
both a mailer and news reader.

Note that this will not post the References header, which means
it won't be threaded correctly by threaded news readers, but since
it's a rare event, I say go for it!

 -Nancy
  (posted and mailed)

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:43:56 -0500 (CDT)

References: <ii.842796945@shellx>,<[email-masked]>
In-Reply-To: <ii.842796945@shellx>,<[email-masked]>

> From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
> Date: 15 Sep 1996 10:21:21 -0400

> >I wish there was a simple way of posting that message once you find out
> >there was a mail delivery problem, since replying by e-mail did not work.

> and then type the news group name(s) in the Newsgrps header,...

> it's a rare event, I say go for it!

No one on this list/newsgroup has yet agreed with me, but I think that as
Usenet users we should all voluntarily cooperate with conventions even if 
pine doesn't.

pine gives us the opportunity to customize our headers. If I use pine to 
post news, or post an article via a mail-to-news gateway, I add the 
Message ID of the article I am referencing by cutting the Message-ID into 
the References: header.

To make this easier, I add "References: " to my customized composer 
headers, and "Message-ID: " to my customized viewer headers. I wish there 
were a way to overcome pine's limitation preventing the user from adding 
additional message IDs to the "In-Reply-To: " header. Like "References: ",
the RFC implies that "In-Reply-To: " can contain the message IDs of each 
message being referenced in the reply.

(As always, I've also added my own meaningless "References: " and 
"In-Reply-To: " headers to the body of my message, as mail-to-news 
gateways do not always pass all the headers through.)