Subject: pine 3.95 and IMAP

From: David Candlin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:03:33 +0200 (METDST)

My mail repository, and pine folders, are on a DEC-Unix 3.2 machine in
Edinburgh, Scotland, which runs an IMAP server. I frequently work at CERN,
Geneva, where I use an HP workstation. The networking is not too great,
but is no worse than usual.

Both sites recently upgraded from pine 3.91 to pine 3.95. Now, when I
access my mail from CERN, the IMAP connection is dropped (by the client, I
believe, from the pine-debug file) at certain defined points. The result
is that I have to provide my login name and password each time I need a
buffer to compose a message, and twice when I complete the message -- once
to send it, and again to write it to sent-mail. There is no problem in
reading messages.

As you may imagine, this situation is a real pain. Any ideas? The CERN
computer centre refused to comment, since Edinburgh was running IMAP2bis.
So we changed to IMAP4, and as you can guess, nothing improved. 

		David Candlin

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From: Vladimír Solnický {Vladimir Solnicky} <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:37:36 +0200 (METDST)

> to send it, and again to write it to sent-mail. There is no problem in

Change the definition of your INBOX and folder collections (of everything
what is remote) so they look like

{bla.bla.bla.edinburg.uk/user=imapuser}INBOX,

where imapuser is your username ay Edinburg and INBOX (in case of folder
collections) is replaced by the name of he folder collection, etc.

It should help.

Regards, V. S.

Vladimír Solnický, ÚTIA AV ČR, Pod vodárenskou věží 4,
CZ 182 08 Praha 8-Libeň, +42 2 6605/2364, telefax: +42 2 6884677,
[email-masked], http://www.utia.cas.cz/vs/vs-home-cz.html

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT)

OK, we've now seen two reports in the past 24 hours of problems with rsh
preauthentication when accessing an IMAP server from an HP workstation.  

 o Have either of you tried the suggestion of using /user= syntax?
   If it solves the problem, I won't know why, but that's OK...

 o Do either of you have any non-HP boxes you can try?

 o Once you get logged in, is everything OK? 
   (I assume if you bypass rsh, using the :143 syntax, everything
   works as expected, except the rsh preauthentication, of course.)

 o I gather it works sometimes but not other times, and that in both cases
   there is substantial distance between client and server.  This suggests
   a timing-dependent problem (as well as apparently being HP specific.)

 o If you revert to 3.91 on the HP (IMAP client), does the problem go
   away?

 o If you increase the rsh timeout (need to edit the pinerc for this)
   does it make any difference?

 o Any other HP users with useful info?  (either successes or failures?)

David, regarding Pine asking you multiple times for name/password:
please check your pinerc to make sure all references to the remote
imap server "look the same", e.g. use the same symbolic name in all cases.
If so, Pine *should* remember the name/passwd for subsequent connections
to the *same* server for the duration of the session.  But if the
hostnames (in inbox, incoming folders, folder collections) have
different forms, Pine will definitely prompt you again.

-teg

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From: David Candlin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:44:45 +0200 (METDST)

Thank you. In fact, I got the hint to use "{bla.bla/user=me}INBOX}" within
an hour from Vladimir Solnicky in Prague, and my problem was solved. My
login names at home (mail repository) and at CERN are different. 

By the way, if you go to the folder-list screen (command L) and type ? it
tells you about allowable specifications, *not* including "/user=".

		David Candlin

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT)

David,
Glad to hear the problem is solved.

(I hadn't thought the /user= syntax would solve it because I had
understood that the problem was intermittant; sometimes you got prompted,
sometimes not.  Glad I was wrong!) 

The /user stuff was added after the help text for folder collections was 
written; we need to update it.

-teg