Subject: Re: Help with spam

From: [email-masked] (James Del Vecchio)
Date: 9 Sep 96 01:43:45 GMT

Clint Danbury <[email-masked]> writes:

>I get lots of email spam.  When I try to respond, I get a zillion
>bouncers.  The return address of the spammer is obviously faked.  

>how can I find out the next-higher authority of the spammer ?

	Pine hides the e-mail headers, unfortnatuely.   At
my ISP, pine only shows the forged sender lines.  To see 
the full headers of my mail, I have to type 
"more /var/mail/username".  This shows all my mail with full 
headers.  Then I have to go into emacs and edit out everything
except the particular spam I want to look at.

	This is a royal pain in the ass and I wish I had access
to a mail reader with full headers, but at this time I do not.

James Del Vecchio		[email-masked]

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From: Kjell Andresen <[email-masked]>
Date: 9 Sep 1996 06:30:45 GMT

Pine is able to offer full view of headers. In setup check:

            [X]  enable-full-header-cmd                

and then use h to turn on (and off again) full-headermode when you
read the messages.

-Kjell, who hopes Ørjan reads this easier!
-- 
-Kjell

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 04:47:07 -0500 (CDT)

You will be happy to know that pine will display any header information 
that you require! You may grant your own wish!

Go to the configuration file. From the main menu, choose (S)etup, 
(C)onfigure. Look for the enable-full-headers feature. With this feature 
enabled, you may view all of the message header information with the 
(H)eader command from the index, or while viewing a message. You will see 
the bang-path routing information that your mail took to reach your 
machine. Or, at least as much as the spammer wasn't able to hide.

While in the configuration file, you may also choose to display 
additional headers while viewing your message, in versions after 3.91.

> Date: 9 Sep 96 01:43:45 GMT
> From: James Del Vecchio <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Orjan Johansen)
Date: 9 Sep 1996 13:10:50 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
>   >how can I find out the next-higher authority of the spammer ?
[snip]
>-Kjell, who hopes Ørjan reads this easier!

Close, but not quite. Now it looks like James Del Vecchio wrote what
Clint Danbury actually did, while the part which JDV actually wrote does
not have an attribution at all.

The custom is: the attribution should have one less level of indentation
than what is quoted. This corresponds to the fact that the attribution
is usually added by the next correspondent, and so should have the
same indentation as what the next correspondent writes.

The following is how it would work:

In article <[email-masked]>,
>   >how can I find out the next-higher authority of the spammer ?

Greetings,
Ørjan.

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:23:41 -0700

> to a mail reader with full headers, but at this time I do not.

You have access to a mail read with full headers: Pine!

In the Setup screen, turn on "enable-full-header-command".  Now, when
reading messages, the "H" command will work to toggle between full headers
and filtered headers.

-- Mark --	Read http://www.imap.org for the "best kept secret in email"

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.

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From: R R Neuswanger <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:21:48 -0400

> reading messages, the "H" command will work to toggle between full headers

	OK, I did that long since; but even when I have
H turned on and forward junk to the spamfighters' list,
I get complaints from better-informed subscribers that I
haven't included enough headers for them to practice
their arts upon. How do I get pine not just to *display*
full headers, but to *pass them on* to my addressees??
TIA!

R.R. (Beartooth) Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life
[email-masked]                  Gun control, the opiate of
202.707.8747 (shared line)    the intellectuals: elitism
I speak for me. Only.         laced with self-righteousness.

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From: [email-masked] (Jie Yuan)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 12:15:11 GMT

In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.960903155824.11280B-100000@shell>,
> how can I find out the next-higher authority of the spammer ?

Assume the spammer's address is [email-masked], you email to
[email-masked] and complain.  Of course, you want to make
sure you include the full headered email from the spammer as a
supporting evidence.

If the spammer uses anonymous service to email you, you can email the
anonymous service postmaster and request your address be blocked so 
that no future email will come from that service to you.  It works.
Hopefully, the spammer will run out of anonymous servers ... :-)

Jie
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