Subject: iso-2022-jp

From: Tony <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT)

I am getting overloaded with e-mail from Japan because I subscribe to the 
mail list of my favorite Japanese pop music star. Only problem is, all 
incoming mail is being typed using iso-2022-jp!!!!!!

I was wondering if there was some way I could decipher or decode 
iso-2022-jp code using PINE in order to render it into either its Kanji/kana 
equivalent or into some for which is readable in English???? Or do I have 
to go a different route?

tasukute!!!!!

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:04:18 +0800 (GMT)

> equivalent or into some for which is readable in English???? Or do I have 

Q.	What platform are you using for pine?

Q.	Do you have the fonts necessary to display iso-2022-jp?

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From: [email-masked] (Jungshik Shin)
Date: 24 Aug 1996 08:45:09 -0400

Tony <[email-masked]> wrote:

: I was wondering if there was some way I could decipher or decode 
: iso-2022-jp code using PINE in order to render it into either its Kanji/kana 
: equivalent or into some for which is readable in English???? Or do I have 
: to go a different route?

  If you can display Japanese characters in your terminal
(e.g. Kterm for X window or terminal emulators running
in MS-Windows/DOS/Mac with Japanese support) and you use
PINE on a Unix host, you can set display filter(Setup - Config
menu in Pine 3.92 or later. I noticed that you posted this
with Pine 3.91. You'd better ask your system admin. to upgrade
it 3.95 ) to automatically
convert ISO-2022-JP to whatever local character set you use
for Japanese. You can find out where to get the converter
by reading CJK.inf by Ken Lunde available at
ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/examples/nutshell/ujip/doc/cjk.inf

  Jungshik Shin

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:27:58 -0700

Tony,

One of our user services people at UW is preparing a long document
describing how to do Japanese mail reading with Pine.  It's still in
preliminary state and has known errors, so I don't know if she wants to
let it out yet.  But I've bcc'd her on this message; if she wants to send
you a copy on a "use at your own risk" basis that'd be her decision... 

> equivalent or into some for which is readable in English???? Or do I have 

ISO-2022-JP is simply mixed ASCII (English) and JIS (Japanese) text in 7
bits, using ESC codes to shift back and forth between them.  Your terminal
emulator may support this encoding as "JIS7". 

Pine does not do too well with ESC codes.  Each ESC code occupies three
bytes, which Pine thinks occupies screen space even when it doesn't.  For
this reason, I usually convert the data to 8-bit code (either EUC or SJIS)
using the display-filter functionality along with the "nkf" program (if
you do serious work with Japanese on Unix, you probably have a copy of
nkf).

You may need to do some experimentation to get it working, and you should
also be sure that you're using the latest version of Pine.  Earlier
versions of Pine have known problems working with Japanese text.

For more information about Japanese encodings and the nkf program, I refer
to you to Ken Lunde's book "Understand Japanese Information Processing".

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From: FUKASE Mikio <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:06:49 +0900 (JST)

On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Mark Crispin wrote:
...
> On 23 Aug 1996, Tony wrote:
...
> versions of Pine have known problems working with Japanese text.

I think that Tony has a choice to use PINE 3.95LJ1.1b2 if he
would like to handle Japanese character messages with pine on
his machine.

PINE 3.95LJ1.1b2 is a Japanese patched version of pine 3.95.
FTP it from `ftp.noc.titech.ac.jp' in `/pub/tmp/aki/pine/'.

If you use it, you also have to prepare `CANNA' which is a
network-extensible Kana-to-Kanji conversion system for
inputting Japanese character code, and `kterm' with X
Window (which include k14 font) for displaying Japanese
character.

The other choice (dose not use pine):

Prepare `Mule' and MUA(Mail User Agent) which supports
ISO-2022-JP and is used with Mule (such as `mnews',`mh
(mh-6.8.3-JP.2c)', `Mew'...). It goes without saying
that use `kterm' with X Windows System and `CANNA'(or
`Wnn').

  `Mule' is a MULtilingual Enhancement to GNU Emacs.
  It can handle not only ASCII characters (7 bits) and
  ISO Latin-1 (8 bits), but also Japanese, Chinese,
  Korean (16 bits) coded in the ISO-2022 standard and
  its variants (e.g. EUC, Compound Text).
  FTP it from `sh.wide.ad.jp' in `/JAPAN/mule', or
  `etlport.etl.go.jp' in `/pub/mule'.

I hope this information proves useful.

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