Subject: question regarding new messages

From: Dee Goodman <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT)

When you get a new message and you're already IN Pine, is there a way to
get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine?

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From: Lea <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:45:50 -0600 (MDT)

> get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine?

Have you tried hitting 'm' for main menu and then 'i' for incoming-message
folder?  It shouldn't be necessary to quit Pine entirely to get to your
new messages...

Lea

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From: Edmund Lau <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:33:14 -0700

> get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine?

You could also hit Control L while in Pine.  That will force Pine to do a
mail check.

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From: Kevin B Fleming <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:52:40 -0700 (PDT)

> get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine?

When in the INDEX press ^L (CTRL L). This forces pine to check for new
mail.

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:27:07 -0400

On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, stormkloud wrote:

> Hi all, I would like to know how to do "killfiles" on a newsgroup in 
> PCpine. 

    Pine does not implement killfiles for either news or mail,
unfortunately.  I have no information for you for PCPine.  For Pine
under Un*x, procmail or filter can handle mail killing, and I just
learned a method for batch-mode-type news killing if your system also
has trn (preferably a fairly recent version).  The lack of killfiles
seems to be one thing in particular that causes uses of other
newsreaders to think of Pine as "not a _real_ newsreader."

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From: [email-masked] (DearOldDad)
Date: 8 Aug 1996 04:17:15 GMT

Dee Goodman ([email-masked]) wrote:
: When you get a new message and you're already IN Pine, is there a way to
: get to that message without quitting and re-entering Pine?

Well, you could look in your INBOX folder !  Only a thought.  BYE

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From: stormkloud <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:37:09 -0500

Thanks in advance for advice......sigh

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:06:08 +0100 (BST)

You can't.

This question has been asked and answered many times in this
newsgroup/mailing list over the past couple of weeks.  The answer is still
"Pine 3.95 does not support kill files for e-mail or news".

(Now shall we see how long it is before someone else asks again? :-)

Cheers,

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From: stormkloud <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:57:36 -0500 (CDT)

Thank you!

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From: Matt Chatterley <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:37:59 +0000

> (Now shall we see how long it is before someone else asks again? :-)

Let me pose a different question.. this may have been asked, but if so I
missed the answer.

Will pine support kill files for eMail or useNet in the near (or distant)
future? :-)
 
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From: [email-masked] (Tim Mooney)
Date: 15 Aug 1996 22:45:15 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
  
> Will pine support kill files for eMail or useNet in the near (or distant)

Matt-

I don't mean to get medieval on you, but if you have read the numerous posts
about filtering email you should see (or at least see that the devlopers
and others feel) that it's not the business of the mail client to do 
filtering to different folders, at least on Unix machines.  If you want to 
filter your email, use procmail (or Elm's filter, though Sven says thats 
become unsupported).

I say "...at least on Unix machines" because one could argue that on PCs where
one connects to a server and possibly downloads all their email, it may be nice
to have the downloading program seperate the email into folders based on
certain criteria.  I won't argue this point either way.

As far as killfiles/memorized commands for Usenet news, I asked the pine
developers about this and they said it was a feature they intend to add in a
future release.

It's my opinion that if you read more than a couple of newsgroups that receive
any traffic whatsoever, memorized commands alone won't be enough to make pine
worthwhile as more than a toy newsreader, though.

Tim
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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:25:32 -0700

> Will pine support kill files for eMail or useNet in the near (or distant)

Killfile support is on our to-do list, but I don't know when we will
get to it.  I remember we considered it for Pine 3.92 but decided it
was more work than we wanted to tackle then.....

> filter your email, use procmail (or Elm's filter, though Sven says thats 

Filtering actually is a completely different question.  It is much
more efficient to handle filtering before final message delivery.  I
certainly wouldn't be happy if Pine spent a few minutes sorting my
incoming mail when I started it up ;-) 

> certain criteria.  I won't argue this point either way.

With IMAP, your incoming folders can all be on the server.  This means
that with a delivery filter, your mail can already be sorted into the
correct folders when you connect.

> worthwhile as more than a toy newsreader, though.

I'm not convinced that a simple killfile mechanism is enough either.
But that's another discussion... ;-)

--DLM

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