Subject: distribution lists

From: "Leslie D. Waters" <[email-masked]>
Date: 10 Aug 1996 04:06:10 GMT

Is there a way to have Pine not expand a distribution list?  I have an
alias that is a distribution list of email addresses.  I would like to
not have it be expanded, and included in everyone's message.  I would
like to protect the privacy of each member of the list, to prevent some
member getting the addresses of other members of the list.

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 14:09:34 +0800 (GMT)

> member getting the addresses of other members of the list.

	When sending to the list, put the DL in the Lcc: field rather
than the To: or Cc:.  You need to do a ^R with the cursor in the
headers to reveal the existance of an Lcc: field.

	Regards,
		Ed
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From: Les Wallis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:54:57 +1000 (AEST)

Put the alias in the Lcc field which you see by selecting Control R for
rich header. Then only the group alias not all the addresses will appear
in the To field of your message, as sent and as received.

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From: R <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:06:19 -0400

Or maybe you can send a mail to yourself, and Bcc to everyone.

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From: Beth Peterson <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:24:56 -0500

On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, R wrote:

|
|Or maybe you can send a mail to yourself, and Bcc to everyone.

this will not work for what you are looking for.  What will happen with this
is that you will not see the list in the Bcc field when you receive the
message but anyone and everyone in the Bcc filed will see anyone and everyone
in the Bcc field.  If you are not using version 3.93 or + then what you have
to do is but the DL in the Bcc field but ALSO you have to enter in a :; in the
To field.  If you do have version 3.93+ the use the Lcc field.

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department

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From: [email-masked] (Rick Troxel)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:21:55 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>
Beth Peterson <[email-masked]> writes:
   On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, R wrote:

   | Or maybe you can send a mail to yourself, and Bcc to everyone.

   this will not work for what you are looking for.  What will happen
   with this is that you will not see the list in the Bcc field when you
   receive the message but anyone and everyone in the Bcc filed will see
   anyone and everyone in the Bcc field.  If you are not using version
   3.93 or + then what you have to do is but the DL in the Bcc field but
   ALSO you have to enter in a :; in the To field.  If you do have
   version 3.93+ the use the Lcc field.

It is my understanding that any valid address in the To: field will
prevent Bcc: addresses from becoming visible.  Either a :; or one's own
address would do.  If there are instances of MTA/MUA combinations for
which this is not true, I'd be interested to learn of them.

To the best of my knowledge, arriving mail never has a Bcc: field at
all.  Again, I'd be interested to know of any instances where this is
not true.

Regards,
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From: [email-masked] (Tim Mooney)
Date: 26 Aug 1996 01:29:12 -0500

In article <[email-masked]>,
> which this is not true, I'd be interested to learn of them.

This is my experience too.  In addition, as I've posted in other threads
using the :; trick hasn't worked for me with sendmail 8.7.5 and pine 3.91 --
the message is delivered to the recipients in the Bcc: field and they can't
see anything they shouldn't, but the message also bounces with the following
error from sendmail:

553 : ;... list:; syntax illegal for recipient addresses

> all.  Again, I'd be interested to know of any instances where this is

I've found one case where there is a bcc: (not Bcc:) header added to a message,
but it's blank.

With pine 3.91, I activated rich headers, left the To: blank, and filled in
the Bcc: field with my own address on the local machine multiple times.  
I received one copy of the message (as expected, sendmail didn't send 
multiple copies), and it contained a

bcc:

field, with no one listed.  That was somewhat unexpected.

Tim
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