Subject: Re: Turning off Mail Copies

From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:17:45 -0400

On 3 Aug 1996, Carl Kim wrote:

: Right now, I have pine configured to keep a copy of every mail that I
: send in the "SentBox".  I think I did this with the fcc function.
: 
: Anyway, there are times when I would really like to turn this off for a
: particular message (like very large ones).
: 
: Is there a command or kludge to do this?  

    Nothing simpler.  Before you send the message, put the curser on
the Fcc: line in the header and press ^K (Control-K).  This will blank
out the line and the message will not be saved.  I do it all the time
for tiny little acknowledgement messages that aren't worth keeping
copies of.

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From: Elliot Cole <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 02:31:39 -0400

I work in a public lab environment, and so I need to find a way 
to permanently turn the autosave feature off.  Does anyone know of a way 
of changing the program so that the users will not even have the option 
for this?

Elliot Cole
Technical Support Advisor
Boston College
[email-masked]

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From: "ELEX.Yury. Burkatovsky" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:00:11 GMT

> of changing the program so that the users will not even have the option 
 
At pine configuration screen, find the "default-fcc" entry and change it
to "" (literally - 2 double quotes). It will set the file name to empty
one, and the Fcc field will appear empty by default/

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From: [email-masked] (TRAN Huu Da)
Date: 8 Aug 1996 17:55:07 GMT

Un jour, Paul O Bartlett ([email-masked])
      affirmait publiquement que:

|     Nothing simpler.  Before you send the message, put the curser on
| the Fcc: line in the header and press ^K (Control-K).  This will blank
| out the line and the message will not be saved.  I do it all the time
| for tiny little acknowledgement messages that aren't worth keeping
| copies of.

But you have to call the rich headers first (^R) in the headers section.

Just a precision :-)

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From: [email-masked] (TRAN Huu Da)
Date: 8 Aug 1996 18:08:00 GMT

Un jour, Elliot Cole ([email-masked])
      affirmait publiquement que:

| I work in a public lab environment, and so I need to find a way 
| to permanently turn the autosave feature off.  Does anyone know of a way 
| of changing the program so that the users will not even have the option 
| for this?

Create a pine.conf.fixed file (usually in /usr/local/lib).

HTH..

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:30:22 +0100 (BST)

...And into this "fixed configuration file" put the settings that you want
in effect and which the users can't override.

Apart from the "features" list of settings this hard-codes the variables
value so that it can't be overridden.  For the list of features only that
one feature is permanently enabled or disabled (if its keyword is prefixed
with "no-").  The other, unlisted, features can still be set/overridden vy
users.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email-masked]>
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On 8 Aug 1996, TRAN Huu Da wrote:

>    B.Sc info (2e annie)            http://www.jsp.umontreal.ca/~tranhu/
>    Universiti de Montrial
> -----> Ce n'est s{rement pas l'universiti qui partage mes opinions. <-----
>

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:03:42 -0400

: Un jour, Paul O Bartlett ([email-masked])
:       affirmait publiquement que:
: 
: |     Nothing simpler.  Before you send the message, put the curser on
: | the Fcc: line in the header and press ^K (Control-K).  This will blank
: | out the line and the message will not be saved.  I do it all the time
: | for tiny little acknowledgement messages that aren't worth keeping
: | copies of.
: 
: But you have to call the rich headers first (^R) in the headers section.
: 
: Just a precision :-)

    Say what?  Not on my system.  Fcc: is always visible in the
headers, even without turning on "rich headers."

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:39:05 +0800 (GMT)

> headers, even without turning on "rich headers."

	Hummmm....you either have Fcc: in your list of "view-headers" in
your configuration or some other setting that is causing Fcc: to contain
something other than the default.  I say this since Fcc: is generally
*not* visiable unless I have it set in the alias definition.  If it
the default "outbox" then it does not show.

	Looking at the "view-headers" help we find:

The default list of headers includes:  From, Resent-From, To, Resent-To,
Cc, Resent-cc, Bcc, Newsgroups, Followup-To, Date, Resent-Date,
Subject, Resent-Subject, and Reply-To.

	BTW, it is not clear to me if the "view-headers" applies to 
composing or only to reading.  I'd test it now....but my cat keeps walking
all over the keyboard making life difficult at the moment..  :-)

	Regards,

		Ed & Misty

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:51:44 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Ed Greshko wrote:

: On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:
: 
: > On 8 Aug 1996, TRAN Huu Da wrote:
: > 
: > : Un jour, Paul O Bartlett ([email-masked])
: > :       affirmait publiquement que:
: > : 
: > : |     Nothing simpler.  Before you send the message, put the curser on
: > : | the Fcc: line in the header and press ^K (Control-K).  This will blank
: > : | out the line and the message will not be saved.  I do it all the time
: > : | for tiny little acknowledgement messages that aren't worth keeping
: > : | copies of.
: > : 
: > : But you have to call the rich headers first (^R) in the headers section.
: > : 
: > : Just a precision :-)
: > 
: >     Say what?  Not on my system.  Fcc: is always visible in the
: > headers, even without turning on "rich headers."
: 
: 	Hummmm....you either have Fcc: in your list of "view-headers" in
: your configuration or some other setting that is causing Fcc: to contain
: something other than the default.  I say this since Fcc: is generally
: *not* visiable unless I have it set in the alias definition.  If it
: the default "outbox" then it does not show.
: [...]

    Actually, I think we both stand partially corrected.  Unless one is
taking the default, which in Pine 3.94 (and probably earlier versions,
as well) -- and the default does *not* contain Fcc:, contrary to what I
thought -- what controls what one sees as headers when composing
without pressing ^R is default-composer-hdrs: in the configuration. 
Viewer-hdrs controls what one sees when *viewing*, not when *composing*. 
If you put in _anything_ beyond the default in default-composers-hdrs:,
then you must put in _everything_ you want to see, including the items
that would be otherwise be defaulted.

    I have had Fcc: in my default-composer-hdrs: for so long that I
forgot it was not a default item.  To that extent I was in error in my
original response, and I should have noted that one could make Fcc:
appear all the time without ^R by setting it in the congifuration.

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:12:49 +0800 (GMT)

On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

>     Actually, I think we both stand partially corrected.  

	Yes.

	I should have waited for the cat to sleep and then did a bit
more research.  I could have put the cat....but I'm on the 7th floor
and that may have been a bit extreme. :-)

	Regards,

		Ed
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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:51:32 -0700 (PDT)

Ed,
I'm glad you waited for the cat to go to sleep... I'd hate to think
that Pine was responsible for your furry critter trying to learn
how to fly.

-teg