Subject: Pine installation and Windows interface

From: Cliff Solomon <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:12:17 -0700 (PDT)

I've just installed Pine 3.95 and I have a suggestion. In your
documentation you should talk about how to install upgrades. I've just
spent a frustrating hour trying to get my addressbook to be seen by the
new version of pine. I had backed up the 3.94 version and finally just
copied the new version of the .exe over the old version. Now the
addressbook works fine. Is this how we are supposed to do it? 

Also, like a broken record, I am requesting the standard Windows interface
of the keyboard commands of Ctrl-C (copy) Ctrl-v (paste), etc. 

Thanks.

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:15:30 +0100

On 16 Jul 1996, Cliff Solomon wrote:

:>I've just installed Pine 3.95 and I have a suggestion. In your
:>documentation you should talk about how to install upgrades. I've just
:>spent a frustrating hour trying to get my addressbook to be seen by the
:>new version of pine. I had backed up the 3.94 version and finally just
:>copied the new version of the .exe over the old version. Now the
:>addressbook works fine. Is this how we are supposed to do it? 

(Assuming you are referring to PC versions and not unix?)
That is one way. Another is to have the address book in \PINE and the
program elsewhere, and to call the program by explicit path
eg c:\my\pine\program\pine.exe. A third way is to have the location of
the addressbook explicitly specified in pinerc (the places where pine
looks for data files such as addressbook in the absence of an explicit
setting is well explained in the Help information (release notes if I
remember rightly).

:>
:>Also, like a broken record, I am requesting the standard Windows interface
:>of the keyboard commands of Ctrl-C (copy) Ctrl-v (paste), etc. 

This would then make Windows pine very different to over other Pine
where cntl-C means Cancel, which would seem to be to be a big
disadvantage.

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From: Duncan J Branley <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:32:21 +0100 ()

> where cntl-C means Cancel, which would seem to be to be a big

Why not standardise on the Windows conventions in all versions of Pine?
 
It would be interesting to see how Pine's use splits between platforms - I
use both PC and unix, but find the Windows version FAR more user friendly
in terms of using a mouse, cutting and pasting within and in/out of Pine
(notwithstanding the mooted standardisation) and correcting typos! But
then I come from a PC environment - not a mainframe one. 

It would be nice to see more buttons on the toolbar and also use of the
right mouse button too.  This would give it a more coherent feel for new
users I feel sure.

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:49:18 +0000 (GMT)

On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Duncan J Branley wrote:

:>On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, Barry Landy wrote:
:>
:>> On 16 Jul 1996, Cliff Solomon wrote:
:>> 
:>> :>Also, like a broken record, I am requesting the standard Windows interface
:>> :>of the keyboard commands of Ctrl-C (copy) Ctrl-v (paste), etc. 
:>> 
:>> This would then make Windows pine very different to other Pine
:>> where cntl-C means Cancel, which would seem to be to be a big
:>> disadvantage.
:>> 
:>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:>
:>Why not standardise on the Windows conventions in all versions of Pine?

I can just hear the unix users howls now! They are so used to cntl-C
being cancel system-wide.

I do mot think it is possible to produce compatible unix-sympathetic and
Windows-sympathetic strategies (and unix came first!).

:> 
:>It would be interesting to see how Pine's use splits between platforms - I
:>use both PC and unix, but find the Windows version FAR more user friendly
:>in terms of using a mouse, cutting and pasting within and in/out of Pine
:>(notwithstanding the mooted standardisation) and correcting typos! But
:>then I come from a PC environment - not a mainframe one. 

I have a strong suspicion that the unix use is much heavier than the PC.

:>
:>It would be nice to see more buttons on the toolbar and also use of the
:>right mouse button too.  This would give it a more coherent feel for new
:>users I feel sure.

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From: Duncan J Branley <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:34:55 +0100 ()

> :>> where cntl-C means Cancel, which would seem to be to be a big

I fear you're right.  Perhaps it could be set up for PC Pine?  Or at least
fuller toolbars could be generated?

I'm not convinced that first is necessarily best - especially if the user
base of pine is extending into less 'tecchie' users.  

Evolution or 'downskilling'? :-))