Subject: Re: [1mnewsgroups & pine[22m

From: Cengiz Acarturk <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:15:10 +0400

On Thu, 23 May 1996, LostDeath wrote:

> 
> 	a month ago i started to use pine to get access to newsgroups...
> however i've now a problem ... i'm subscibed to some newsgroups that have 
> thousands of messages....i would like to know if there are any way to 
> delete them at once instead of deleting one by one.....
> 
hi!
Well, I used tin to delete. I deleted the groups by pattern using tin.
They will be automatically deleted from your pine session.
I did.
You can...
Regards...
						CENGIZ

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From: Clint Danbury <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:21:51 -0700

>......On Thu, 23 May 1996, LostDeath wrote:
>......
>......> 
>......> thousands of messages....i would like to know if there are any way to 
>......> delete them at once instead of deleting one by one.....
>......> 

Yes, it's about a 10 or 20 part recipe..

>From Main menu, enter "Setup"

>From that menu, enter "Config"

You will be presented with a list of fifty zillion totally
incomprehensible terms.

Look for this entry:   enable-aggregate-command-set  

Mark that entry.

Exit the config subset of the setup subset and choose "yes" or whatever it
is that asks you about saving the configuration.

Execute the magic keystroke sequence to get you into the newsgroup which
has the thousands of messages.  

Press the semicolon key ;

(Note.....  it must be the lower-case thing)

Press the following sequence of keys on your keyboard:   aadd

At this point all messages should be marked for deletion.  If they are
not, then something is wrong in my instructions and you should go home and
cry over the lack of clearly understandable terms which is so widespread
and pervasive in pine specifically and unix in general.

Go to another newsgroup.

The  ";aadd" thing (without quotes) should work on that newsgroup also.

Press whatever magic secret keystroke sequence it is on your machine that
causes your machine to exit pine.

Sometimes pine will ask you if you really want to "expunge" (or whatever
word is configured for that day of the week) all the messages in some
specific newsgroup.  Other times, pine will not.  The rules for this are
hidden in a secret vault located in the deep tectonic ridge in the middle 
of the Pacific Ocean.

If the question does appear, answer yes.  (Or "Y" or "y" or whatever is
proper for the given phase of the moon during which you are operating.)

If the above rules are followed, there is an 86.703% statistical
probability that the messages you chose for deletion will go away.

I do not see how in this world you, or anyone else for that matter, could
be so obviously stupid-or-unfit-for-your-job as to not be able to discern,
easily and immediately, these blatantly obvious and simple steps.

If Aesop was alive today, it would be "the emperor's new buzzwords"

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From: Dr Shilpa Pratap <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:28:42 +0530 (GMT+5:30)

Dear LostDeath,

What's tin?

Pl enlighten.
Thanks in advance.

Dr S.////

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From: [email-masked] (S Chan)
Date: 5 Jun 1996 09:06:49 GMT

Dr Shilpa Pratap ([email-masked]) wrote:

: What's tin?

tin is a Unix newsreader. I use it to read /respond to the newsgroups in 
prefernce to PINE.

Like the rest  of the unix world (to an outsider , at least) it has its 
share of odd features - but once you get used to it its fine.

For me the major advantage over Pine is the way it groups postings and 
responses in 'threads' so you can quickly follow or skip all the posts on 
a particular subject.

Hope that helps..

clam

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From: Chip Old <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:41:39 -0400 (EDT)

On 28 May 1996, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:

> Please do not imbed control characters in headers OR in the body of a news
> article.  The results are unpredictable on some terminals, and irritating on
> others.
 
And when you reply to such a message, edit out the control characters so
your reply doesn't do the same damage you're cautioning against!  :-)
 
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From: Ravi Krishna <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 03:38:46 -0500 (GMT)

> your reply doesn't do the same damage you're cautioning against!  :-)

These control characters are a real pain.  Shouldn't Pine display them
as \xXX escape sequences or something, instead of sending them
straight to the terminal?

What do the Pine developers say?

--  Ravi Krishna <[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Date: 28 May 96 13:54:05 GMT

LostDeath <[email-masked]> writes:

 >			thanks in advance :

 >					     Rui Miguel Sequeira        
 >					     [email-masked]       
 >				             [email-masked]     
 >					     http://alfa.ist.utl.pt/~l42498

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:04:01 +0100 (BST)

Pine 3.92 and later suppress them in the message's body (unless you have
the "pass-control-characters-as-is" set).

However they weren't detected/suppressed from the Subject text.

I reported this as a Bug (using Pine's very handy Bug (B) command) a few
days ago after getting fed up with having my terminal set into bold all
the time by replies to the "Newsgroups & Pine" thread.

They quickly acknowledged my report and indicated it will be fixed in Pine
3.94.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email-masked]>
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