Subject: PCPine32 3.93/Win3.11 - Can't delete mail/create olders

From: Mark Henning <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:33:14 +0200

Hi !

I'm using PCPine 3.93 (32-bit-Version, I think) with WIN 3.11 as an 
offline-mail-manager.
At the university I work with Pine under Unix and it works fine, but from 
time to time I have to copy some folders onto my home-PC (My PC has no 
net-connection, so Pine starts with a "Cannot connect"-Error).

I have configured my folder-collection like this:
Desktop D:\Mail\[]

It is possible to read the folders, but they are all readonly, so I 
cannot delete messages. But it is curiously possible to save messages 
into the other readonly folders which Pine has marked as readonly...

And it is also impossible to create new folders: Pine 
writes empty folderfiles onto my harddisk but is neither able to open 
them nor to save messages into.

When I save the first message from a folder A into a folder B, so the 
message will be added, but the line with the "From ..."-mark which marks 
the begin of a new message, has a new character at its beginn, so that 
Pine doesnt find this message.

Are there any suggestions to solve this problem ?

Thanx,

- Mark

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:27:58 -0700 (PDT)

Mark,
I can explain some, but not all, of what you are seeing.

The usual mailbox format used on Unix systems uses "From " lines as
message separators.  The PC-Pine mailbox driver for this format is
a READ-ONLY driver; that is, PC-Pine is not capable of appending
messages to folders in this format, nor updating their status fields.

The native mailbox PC-Pine uses is called "MTX" and it does not use
the "From " lines as message separators (it has a different separator
format with length and flag info in it.)

I don't know why PC-Pine is letting you append to a READ-ONLY folder,
nor do I understand why creating and using a new local folder is not
working for you.  If you have any additional data on those points,
please let us know.

Note that PC-Pine is not yet designed for off-line use, so you are
swimming upstream to a certain extent, but it should be possible to
save all the messages from a Unix-style folder that is READ ONLY into
a new native/local MTX folder, and have full R/W access to that MTX
folder.

-teg

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From: Mark Henning <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:52:09 +0200 (CST)

Hi Terry !

Thanks for your Answer !
You asked for more information about the PCPine-Problem :

I store my UNIX-folder with the extension "MTX", so they are visible in 
Pine's folderlist.
When I chose the command "Add folder" I get the message "Folder XY 
created", and in fact, there is a new file on my harddisc called XY.MTX, 
but it is 0 Bytes long (Is this correct ?).
When I try to go into this folder, I get the error "Not a folder".
Then I tried to go around this problem by saving messages to this 
new folder, but there's also an error occuring : "Indeterminate 
mailbox-format".

Is it possible that I have to install the Microsoft Network ?
Or have I to make any changes in the SYSTEM.INI ?
Maybe PCPine does fileread and filewrite over the network-driver ?
(The filemanager gives an network-like error when I try to open a folder 
which is opened by pine at the same time.)

- Mark

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:02:31 -0700

> but it is 0 Bytes long (Is this correct ?).

Yes, a newly created folder should be 0 bytes long.

I'm confused.  Do you have two files with the name XY?

> new folder, but there's also an error occuring : "Indeterminate 

Both of these error messages indicate that the file is not really empty.
Please take a close look at the error message; you should find the file
name in there.

-- Mark --

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.

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From: Mark Henning <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:02:26 +0200

Hi !

Maybe I can solve my problem by converting the UNIX-like folkders to 
Pine-folders.
How can I do this ?
What's the difference between both formats ?

Thx in Advance,

- Mark