Subject: SC for pine

From: bharath shashikumar <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 11:58:49 -0500

I am heavily impressed with pine. I'd like to know if there 
will ever be a supercite mode or something like that in any future
releases of pine? Thanks for any response.

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:55:02 +0800 (GMT)

> releases of pine? Thanks for any response.

	OK, I'll bite.  What is "supercite mode"?

	Regards,

		Ed

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 00:18:39 +0800 (GMT)

On Mon, 6 May 1996, bharath shashikumar wrote:

> On 5 May 1996, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> :On Sun, 5 May 1996, bharath shashikumar wrote:
> :
> :> I am heavily impressed with pine. I'd like to know if there
> :> will ever be a supercite mode or something like that in any future
> :> releases of pine? Thanks for any response.
> :
> :	OK, I'll bite.  What is "supercite mode"?
> :
>
> ok... let me clarify....
>
> Supercite lets you cite parts of messages you're replying to, in hairy ways.
> "Supercite" is a GNU Emacs package written entirely in
> Emacs Lisp. It interfaces to most of the commonly used Emacs mail user
> agents ("MUAs") and news user agents ("NUAs"), and provides
> sophisticated facilities for the citing and attributing of message
> replies.
>
> Ask any gnu emacs guru...u bet he ll know. What i meant was is there
> any going to be any such similar feature in future releases of pine.

	Geeee....I hope not.  :-) :-)  I have a hard enough time with
some of my users and pico.

	But, seriously, couldn't you use the "alternate" editor feature
of pine and achieve what you want?

	Ed

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From: bharath shashikumar <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:07:10 -0500

On Mon, 6 May 1996, David L Miller wrote:

:
:> :> "Supercite" is a GNU Emacs package written entirely in
:> :> Emacs Lisp. It interfaces to most of the commonly used Emacs mail user
:> :> agents ("MUAs") and news user agents ("NUAs"), and provides
:> :> sophisticated facilities for the citing and attributing of message
:> :> replies.
:> :>
:> :> Ask any gnu emacs guru...u bet he ll know. What i meant was is there
:> :> any going to be any such similar feature in future releases of pine.
:> :
:> 
:> Well i hope there would be a SC for pine. It will give just one other 
:> reason for many people to switch over to pine. ..its not possible
:> to achieve the hairy effects of SC with the alternate editor
:> unfortunately :(... On the other hand the makers of pine could always
:> have a supercite option so that users could feel free to say no if
:> they didnt like it :-)
:> 
:
:Hmmm...  Could you give some specific examples of the "hairy effects" 
:you want to see in Pine?  I don't have an emacs guru handy... 
:

Here is a typical super-cited mail..i picked it up from comp.emacs. I
d appreciate if u could throw some light on how to achieve this in
pine 3.93. In particular look at how the authors' names/nicknames are
cited. In fact, gnu emacs lets u pick a suitable citation/ nickname
when replying to a recipient.

Regards

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    >>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher Davis <[email-masked]>
    >>>>> writes:

        FGA> == Fred G Athearn <[email-masked]> It is not at
        FGA> all imposible that some such corporation might
        FGA> someday feel that what FSF is doing was hurting its
        FGA> ability to sell a propritary system.  They could buy
        FGA> up the unassigned copyrights and bring a series of
        FGA> actions against FSF software users and scare off
        FGA> many business users.

    Christopher> In other words, you think the GPL is
    Christopher> insufficient protection for software.

Well yes.  If you don't have the legal right to software you
can't give it to anyone free or not.

    Christopher> Are you in fact an intellectual property lawyer?

Not exactly, but I am a retired lawyer who at one time worked full
time for a software development company.  I think I understand
the sort of advice that FSF likely to be getting.  I also
understand how strongly some programmers resist such things.

    Christopher> Hint: once you release something with the GPL,
    Christopher> you can't revoke the GPL for that version.  You
    Christopher> can release a later version that is not
    Christopher> distributed under the GPL, but that does not
    Christopher> remove the previous versions from the purview of
    Christopher> the GPL, nor does it make it impossible for
    Christopher> other people to continue maintenance of the
    Christopher> GPLed versions.

This would be enough protection for most users, but I can
understand why FSF would want an actual assignment prior to
integrating something into its releases.  Anyone can make
anything "GPLed" by just inserting that text into it.  The
formalities of the copyright assignment more appropriate to the
situation of the FSF.

    Christopher> Even if Microsoft bought up UIUC, whoever owns
    Christopher> the Lucid stuff, and Sun, they still couldn't
    Christopher> un-GPL XEmacs as it exists.  They could put a
    Christopher> crimp in the UIUC and Sun folks working on
    Christopher> XEmacs, but they could always quit...

Perhaps, but why should FSF make an exception here and change its
procedures and rely on the validity of the GPL?  Suppose that the
code was GPLed without proper authority?  Could the true owner
not then revoke the GPL or serve notice that it had never been
valid?  The fact that something was issued by someone with the
text of the GPL attached is not at all as strong as a set of
assignments by all who might have an interest.
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From: [email-masked] (Alan Shutko)
Date: 06 May 1996 22:32:21 -0500

>>>>> "D" == David L Miller <[email-masked]> writes:

D> On Mon, 6 May 1996, bharath shashikumar wrote:

>> Well i hope there would be a SC for pine. It will give just one
>> other reason for many people to switch over to pine. ..its not
>> possible to achieve the hairy effects of SC with the alternate

D> Hmmm...  Could you give some specific examples of the "hairy
D> effects" you want to see in Pine?  I don't have an emacs guru
D> handy...

Here's an example.  Initials of the poster, no nesting if other users
use SC.  All quoted paragraphs can be re-wrapped correctly, preserving
good formatting within 72 col limitations.

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From: bharath shashikumar <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:03:55 -0500

:On Sun, 5 May 1996, bharath shashikumar wrote:
:
:> I am heavily impressed with pine. I'd like to know if there
:> will ever be a supercite mode or something like that in any future
:> releases of pine? Thanks for any response.
:
:	OK, I'll bite.  What is "supercite mode"?
:
:	Regards,
:
:		Ed
:
:Edward M. Greshko                       Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
:                                        Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
:Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287             6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3
:FAX  : +886-2-712-9197                  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C
:
:
:

ok... let me clarify....

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bharath shashikumar

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From: William McQueen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:27 -0400 (EDT)

I have heard that there are services where a person may send email, and 
it will then be forwarded to a phone with a fax machine on the line. And 
I wonder if it is available in the other direction? I am especially 
interested in sending a fax to Madras state in India, if anyone has any 
ideas. Thanks for any leads.
Bye for now,
Bill McQueen in Toronto

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From: Robert March <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 00:00:38 -0400

> ideas. Thanks for any leads.

I am aware of an email to fax project that covers some parts of the 
globe.  You can learn all about it at www.tpc.int. (The Phone Company)

If you do not have WEB capability and cannot reach the project by other 
means, let me know and I will gather the info for you.

Regards,
Robert

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From: bharath shashikumar <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:27:11 -0500

On 6 May 1996, Ed Greshko wrote:

:On Mon, 6 May 1996, bharath shashikumar wrote:
:
:> On 5 May 1996, Ed Greshko wrote:
:>
:> :On Sun, 5 May 1996, bharath shashikumar wrote:
:> :
:> :> I am heavily impressed with pine. I'd like to know if there
:> :> will ever be a supercite mode or something like that in any future
:> :> releases of pine? Thanks for any response.
:> :
:> :	OK, I'll bite.  What is "supercite mode"?
:> :
:>
:> ok... let me clarify....
:>
:> Supercite lets you cite parts of messages you're replying to, in hairy ways.
:> "Supercite" is a GNU Emacs package written entirely in
:> Emacs Lisp. It interfaces to most of the commonly used Emacs mail user
:> agents ("MUAs") and news user agents ("NUAs"), and provides
:> sophisticated facilities for the citing and attributing of message
:> replies.
:>
:> Ask any gnu emacs guru...u bet he ll know. What i meant was is there
:> any going to be any such similar feature in future releases of pine.
:
:	Geeee....I hope not.  :-) :-)  I have a hard enough time with
:some of my users and pico.
:
:	But, seriously, couldn't you use the "alternate" editor feature
:of pine and achieve what you want?
:
:	Ed

Well i hope there would be a SC for pine. It will give just one other 
reason for many people to switch over to pine. ..its not possible
to achieve the hairy effects of SC with the alternate editor
unfortunately :(... On the other hand the makers of pine could always
have a supercite option so that users could feel free to say no if
they didnt like it :-)

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bharath shashikumar