Subject: folder collections

From: Clifford Wesley Fulford <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:43:11 +0100 (BST)

I'm having problems with folder collections since moving to 3.92. We
have a folder collection defined in pine.conf as
 SOC{host:143}mail/[]
which used to work fine. Now when the collection is expanded all that is
seen are sub-directories and empty (0 byte) files. So if you search with
'w' an error is returned. If you save (or FCC) to a known folder
'folder does not exist! create?'
is returned. If I reply y(es) I get a folder exists, cannot create
message.

Have I missed something? Is anyone else experiencing this.

We're running under Solaris 2.4.

Clifford W Fulford
University of North London
ISS-UNIX development
E-mail:     [email-masked]
            [email-masked]
            [email-masked]
Telephone:  0171-607-2789 x 7314. Home 0181-986-5239

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From: "M. Adele Megann" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 11:34:10 -0700

Yes, yes, yes, I have a similar problem. Let me repost my letter
describing it. Can someone help with this? I am getting sick of my "L"
screen.

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 Adele Megann & Linus_____; o o  ; [email-masked]
 Alberta, Canada _/`_____   =^= /           Newfoundlander Abroad
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On 2 Apr 1996, Clifford Wesley Fulford wrote:

> Date: 2 Apr 1996 12:58:58 -0800
> From: Clifford Wesley Fulford <[email-masked]>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: folder collections
>

>From [email-masked] Fri Mar 29 19:26:10 1996
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:26:07 -0700
From: "M. Adele Megann" <[email-masked]>
Reply-To: "M. Adele Megann" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Can't delete mailbox; no such folder
Organization: Calgary Free-Net

	I have a Freenet account - no command lines. We've just gotten
Pine 3.92, which is great. I like to explore the new features - even if I
don't know what they mean, I try them and then try to figure out what's
different about how Pine operates.
	That was how I created my mystery folder. I now know, in the
course of trying to solve this problem, that I don't have a filter, so I
can't sort incoming folders. Live and learn.
	This is what I did: I enabled incoming-folders and created one
called "Literacy." When I was asked for server, name, nickname, etc, I
said "literacy, literacy, literacy."
	Now, when I press "L," I see a separate collection for incoming
folders, which contains INBOX and Literacy. I have tried to delete it
several times. I'm asked: "Do you really want to delete 'Literacy?' to
which I answered "yes." Then it says: "Can't delete mailbox Literacy; no
such folder." There is a similar message if I try to open it.
	If there is no such folder, how does Pine know it's name?  DON'T
ANSWER that.  What I mean is, if I only had one question, what I really
want to know is how to get rid of the phantom mailbox.
	Thanks,

 --------------------------/\__/\--------------------------------
 Adele Megann & Linus_____; o o  ; [email-masked]
 Alberta, Canada _/`_____   =^= /           Newfoundlander Abroad
 ---------------<_______>__m_m_>---------------------------------

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:09:34 -0700 (PDT)

Adele,
I think your problem is different that Clifford's (and in his case I have
no idea what's going on.)

In your case (bogus incoming message folder entries), I'd suggest
editing your .pinerc file directly and deleting the suspect entries
after the "incoming-folders=" variable.

-teg

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From: "M. Adele Megann" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:20:51 -0600 (MDT)

Thanks Terry,

	I'm sure your advice would have worked if I'd known before.
Unfortunately, I didn't even know about the .pinerc file; I had never seen
it. One day, while going through the config menu turning things on and off
in case they would help, I was inspired to turn on "enable-dot-files."
Look at these new files in my directory! Ah, the key must be there. I'm
afraid it never ocurred to me to EDIT them. I deleted them all. (Except my
address book and sig.) Problem solved. Of course, I had to go back to
config and start from scratch. I think I've got it sorted out.
	My "default" name, Margaret, the one I used to sign up with
Freenet, is different from the one I use, Adele. I send my parents mail
every day. Monday my mother called, and wanted to know if I'd changed my
name! It was back on "Margaret." She's not a techie, and I don't think she
bought my explanation (which took me a couple of minutes to figure out.)
"Are you sure you don't want us to call you "Margaret" from now on?" So I
reassured her, then immediately logged in and changed back to "Adele." So
I may have missed a few other things as well.
	What I would like to know is, why does Pine make the display of
those files optional? It would have saved me a lot of trouble if I'd seen
them before.
	Thanks for your help. I'm going to look at the .pinerc file right
now to see what I can learn from it.

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:38:24 -0700 (PDT)

> those files optional? It would have saved me a lot of trouble if I'd seen

re: hiding "dot" files:  This is a Unix convention that goes back more
than a quarter century...  The idea is that you give to a file a name
that begins with a dot if and only if you want to avoid cluttering up
your normal display of files.  So program config files, such as .pinerc 
are usually considered examples of such "clutter".  The Unix "ls" utility
does the same thing, requiring a "-a" flag to display dot files.

-teg