Subject: Needed: maintainers for Free Pine (fwd)

From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:59:43 +0100 (BST)

The following message has been passed to me, having been seen on the
gnu.announce, gnu.utils.bug and comp.os.linux.misc newsgroups.

This is the first I have heard of the matter (which may yet turn out to be
rumour mongering).

Could the Pine Team at Washington please enlighten us, the dedicated
userbase, whether there is any truth in the article, and what the position
will be in the future?

EVERYBODY ELSE: This message is provided for information only and has yet
to be confirmed or denied by the Pine Team.  Please do NOT treat it as
Gospel, and I advise you against further redistribution until the content
is clarified by the Pine Team themselves.  Thanks!

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email-masked]>
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From: Richard Stallman <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Needed: maintainers for Free Pine
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Pine is a simple mail reader that many users like.  Until recently,
Pine was distributed as free software.  However, the University of
Washington recently changed to more restrictive distribution terms for
Pine.  They restrict who is allowed to redistribute, and they don't
permit distributing modified versions at all.  Under these terms, new
versions of Pine are not free software.

Previous versions of Pine are still free.  But a program needs to be
maintained and improved.  Therefore we would like to recruit
volunteers to work on developing Free Pine, starting with the last
available free release.

It is undesirable to fork a program; people should try their best to
work together before giving up and working separately.  Therefore I
had a discussion with the Pine developers, urging them to change the
terms again to make Pine free software in one way or another.  In the
end, they rejected the idea categorically.  So we're on our own; we
now must do the best we can with the situation we are in.

The first need is for one or a few people who are willing to take
substantial responsibility for the project.  If you are ready, willing
and able to do this, please send me email.  If you would like to help
in a lesser capacity, please stand by; when the new maintainers get
organized, they will set up channels for people to help in other ways.

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From: Andrew Sweger <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT)

>From the Pine Legal Notices located at URL:

  http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/legal.html

I read:

"We request that any local modifications be denoted by appending the
letter "L" to the current version number... Re-distribution by for-profit
organizations requires permission from the University of Washington."

I don't know if this information is up-to-date nor do I speak for the Pine
Team or the University of Washington in this matter, but the above seems
to negate Mr. Stallman's alleged statements from below.

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The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once.

On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

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From: youngho <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:35:07 -0400 (EDT)

I am  trying to compile the newest version of pine but when i try to 
build it:  I get the following message.....

er5[36]>  build sun
make args are "CC=cc "

Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
build: make: not found

Making Pico and Pilot
build: make: not found

Making Pine.
build: make: not found

Links to executables are in bin directory:
build: size: not found
Done

can anyone help me out...
thanks..

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT)

It looks like you do not have a C compiler and associated tools
installed (or improperly installed) on your system... 

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email-masked]  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, youngho wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:35:07 -0400 (EDT)
> From: youngho <[email-masked]>
> To: Pine Info Mailing List <[email-masked]>
> Cc: Pine Developers <[email-masked]>
> Subject: help compiling pine.
> In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:55:54 -0700 (PDT)

> userbase, whether there is any truth in the article, and what the position

Mike,
The attached message was just posted in response to the missive from RMS.
I've also attached the original posting for comparison.

I'll let you decide "whether there was any truth in the article"...

-teg

Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Les Pennington <[email-masked]>
Newsgroups: gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: U of Washington statement regarding Pine legal status

The University of Washington, in order to quell rumors and statements to
the contrary, wishes to make the following announcement: 

  >>> Nothing has changed with respect to your ability to obtain      
      and use Pine software from us without any charge <<<
 
This posting is intended to make clear the intentions of the University of
Washington in regard to the revised legal notice in the current (3.93)
version of our Pine messaging system.  Here are the key points:

1. Anyone can obtain, compile and execute the Pine software for any
   purpose without charge (just like before).

2. We ask that organizations modifying Pine should append an "L" to 
   the version number to denote a locally modified version, and 
   document the changes.  The goal is to reduce confusion and assist
   in analyzing problem reports.

3. We ask that those seeking to redistribute Pine software for profit
   gain our permission before doing so.  In contrast to some other
   copyright models, we are not opposed to arrangements that permit
   proprietary products to be developed from our code, but we think
   it is reasonable for folks to ask our permission first.

Note also that "Pine" is a registered trademark of the University of
Washington.  We have obtained this trademark to help us maintain the
integrity of software distributed by the University of Washington
development team.  For "Pine" to be a meaningful identifier of authorized
versions of this software, we expect other groups not to use this
trademark or confusingly similar marks without our permission.

If you'd like to review the current Pine legal notice for yourself, see
http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/legal.html

Les Pennington
Computing & Communications
University of Washington