Subject: Re: signature at the bottom of reply/forward

From: [email-masked] (Stephen J. Weihman)
Date: 18 Apr 1996 16:42:21 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
"Martin J. Gallagher" <[email-masked]> writes:

>	When I am replying to or forwarding email, pine places my
>..signature file before the original message.  Is there any way to get it
>to the bottom?

Sure does.  Go into Setup/Config, and X the signature-at-bottom feature.

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From: [email-masked] (John Piddock)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:52:22 GMT

"Martin J. Gallagher" <[email-masked]> wrote:

>Hello,

>.signature file before the original message.  Is there any way to get it
>to the bottom?

>						Thanks,

>						Marty

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Go to Setup in Pine and select Config. Scroll down and check
"signature-at-bottom". Thats all there is to it.

-John
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From: R R Neuswanger <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:34:44 -0400

There is a way, if you don't mind playing a little.
First enable suspend in the configuration, then get out of pine
with control-z, and create a couple-three files with pico called
sig.this, sig.that, sig.etc. Might as well have some choice &
variety. (You might want a sig.minimal among those.)
	Back to pine with fg (foreground command), back into
your forward. Now cut the sigblock with control-circumflex and
control-k. Edit the message being forwarded, adding comments or
snipping superfluities ad hoc.
	At the bottom, use control-r to pull in one of those
sig.whatever files. I recommend calling them all sig.something,
rather than something.sig, so that when you edit your home
directory (or have to call it up to remind yourself what you
have) with ls -a, they'll all be in one place.

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On 18 Apr 1996, Hillary Gorman wrote:

> Stephen J. Weihman ([email-masked]) wrote:
> : In article <[email-masked]>,
> : "Martin J. Gallagher" <[email-masked]> writes:
> :
> : >	When I am replying to or forwarding email, pine places my
> : >..signature file before the original message.  Is there any way to get it
> : >to the bottom?
> :
> : Sure does.  Go into Setup/Config, and X the signature-at-bottom feature.
>
> well, that works for compositions and replies, but not for forwards.
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From: Hillary Gorman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 19:33:18 -0400

well, i know how to import files! i'm not interested in workarounds. i
mean, my sig isn't that important anyway. i just thought i'd mention that
when you forward mail, the sig doesn't go in the right place, even if you
have enabled the "sig at the bottom" config.

hrg

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:21:15 +0100 (BST)

I believe the choice of positioning of the signature file's content is a
deliberate choice by the Pine Team....

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The DEFAULT setting is to put the signature at the top of any
reply/forwarded message.  The idea is that your new text is the
"interesting" stuff, and hence should be easily readable without having to
wade through tons of old quoted text.  The signature follows your own
message text, which is in turn followed by the old text included for
context if need be.

In general this seems a good and courteous idea (albeit one most people
aren't (yet) familiar with, and who hence claim it is "wrong" :-)

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Sometimes when REPLYING to messages people prefer to intersperse their new
text in amongst the quoted text, to answer each point in turn.  For such
people the "signature-at-bottom" option moves the signature below the
quoted text, "signing" the new message text.

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But when FORWARDING a message you are given the opportunity to introduce
the forwarded message with your own text, which should then be signed (by
including your signature file).  AFTER this is the included message text.

If the signature file were included AFTER the text of the forwarded
message there can be some ambiguity as to where the forwarded message text
ends (ie, are they your words, or that of the original author).

I don't see why so many people consider this strange; consider this...

* Someone sends me a letter in the post which, because I am not the most
  appropriate person to deal with it, I need to send on to a colleague.

* I scribble an explanatory note, sign it and attach it to the erroneous
  letter.  I then pass this on to my colleague.

I wouldn't _dream_ of signing my own name at the foot of the letter
delivered erroneously to me!

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Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <[email-masked]>
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From: [email-masked] (Hillary Gorman)
Date: 18 Apr 1996 20:06:28 GMT