Subject: Re: 3.92 list scrolling slow

From: [email-masked] (Paul D. Robertson)
Date: 1 Apr 1996 20:00:37 GMT

Mihai T. LAZARESCU ([email-masked]) Stood upon their soapbox and shouted:
: On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Ian Russell Ollmann wrote:
: 
: > You can use ^v instead, but it
: > is an awkward key combo. feature-list=assume-slow-link doesn't revert the
: > scrolling behavior to what it was in 3.91. It seems like it should.
: >
: > 				Ian Ollmann
: 
: You can use the very handy space bar to go a page down and `-' (minus)
: to go one page up.

This is not "very handy" if you have a large volume of mail in your index, 
and have to move between the space/- and up/down arrows.  The pine folks 
have said that they will discuss this issue.  It would be trivial if I 
only had a few screens of mail, but my inbox and folders tend to have 
multiple hundreds of lines, and the old behavior was much, much better.
I'm stuck on the new release at my ISP, and just can't deal with the new 
scrolling with the volumes of mail that I need to page through, the 
space/- keys are too counter-intuative to my typing style, this slows me 
down a *lot*.

Paul.

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From: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:32:57 +0100

> Mihai T. LAZARESCU ([email-masked]) Stood upon their soapbox and shouted:

I don't know exactly what's your typing style, but I do find that the
space bar is the most accessible key on a standard keyboard.  At least
more accessible than a control combination.

The style I have for moving in my 2000+ message box is:

** I place the left hand thumb over the space bar and another finger of
   the same hand over the `-'.  With a slight wrist balance I can move
   one page up/down;

** at the same time, the fingers of the right hand access the cursor
   keys for fine movements inside the page.

Beside, I used to jump directly to the message by typing its number.
It's very useful for large movements (top/bottom).

This is a work around, I also find slightly more convenient pine 3.91
behavior.

Mihai

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From: Ronald Wahl <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:45:09 +0200

> more accessible than a control combination.

I think a program shouldn't dictate which typing style to use - it should
be configurable by the user.

> It's very useful for large movements (top/bottom).

It's more convenient to use the bar as a marker - so you see immediately
what you've read and what not.

ron

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From: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:07:03 +0100

> be configurable by the user.

The policy of pine seems not to be this one.  As far as I know the user
is not allowed to do any custom key configuration.  Maybe for pine 3.92
it's possible, I did not feel the need to check it out.

Whenever possible, I find easier to adapt myself for using a program as
is than to depend in my efficiency on the time and willingness of the
developers to do small adjustments on my needs.

Just a few thoughts.  I don't try to justify pine policy (I'm not
involved in its development) nor to persuade someone to change his/hers
typing style.

Mihai L.
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