Subject: re Pine and POP3 - help

From: Neil Ambrose <[email-masked]>
Date: 8 Mar 1996 11:14:00 GMT

Dear all,
I have a problem, can you get Pine to read mail from a POP
server????? I read some of the articles on the newsgroup and
there was an implication that you could, so i went to browse
the faq documents, to read that you can't. I am confused!
What i want to do is run Pine on my unix account but to get
my mail from my Novell account, so i don't have to quite
exceed every time i want to check my mail. It is possible to
get mail from the Novell machine by POP as this is what i do
when i dialup from home via PPP, using Pegasus mail.

Any help on configuration, or pointers to useful docs would
be gratefully accepted!

Cheers

Neil
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From: [email-masked] (Hillary Gorman)
Date: 14 Mar 1996 22:31:30 GMT

Neil Ambrose ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Dear all,
: I have a problem, can you get Pine to read mail from a POP
: server????? I read some of the articles on the newsgroup and

You want popclient (a unix program) to download your mail and add it to 
your spool. Then you can use pine to read your mail from that popserver. 
You can make it a cron job, and have popclient check your mail every so 
often. Check with the admin of your unix machine about the availability 
of popclient.

hillary

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From: [email-masked] (Haisam K. Ido )
Date: 15 Mar 1996 09:03:18 GMT

Hillary Gorman ([email-masked]) wrote:
: 
: You want popclient (a unix program) to download your mail and add it to 
: your spool. Then you can use pine to read your mail from that popserver. 
: You can make it a cron job, and have popclient check your mail every so 
: often. Check with the admin of your unix machine about the availability 
: of popclient.

PINE itself can be configured to be a pop client, however.

: 
: hillary

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:52:22 -0800 (PST)

> PINE itself can be configured to be a pop client, however.

Yes and no...

It's true that the Pine distribution includes a pop3 driver that can be
optionally enabled, HOWEVER:

 o Inclusion of this driver is for experimentation and its use should not
   be considered a supported configuration, for the following reasons...

 o Pine does not yet have "offline" support, so the POP driver attempts
   to do a weak imitation of full IMAP online interaction with the mail
   server, as opposed to the "download and delete" offline paradigm
   that most people expect and want when they use POP.  (Offline support
   is planned for later this year.)

 o As distributed, Pine 3.91's pop driver has some bugs. I think these
   are corrected in the 3.92 code, with one exception:

 o If you try to Expunge messages via POP, Pine will not recognize that
   they have been expunged in terms of the Index display, leading to
   some surprising results.  This won't get fixed until Pine 4.x which
   will be based on later (IMAP4-compliant) c-client libraries.

So using "popclient" as a front-end to Pine may well be the preferred
solution.

-teg

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From: "Haisam K. Ido" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:46:47 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Terry Gray wrote:

[...]
> > Haisam K. Ido ([email-masked]) wrote:
> > [...]

> Hillary Gorman ([email-masked]) wrote:
> Yes and no...
> 

[...]

>    is planned for later this year.)

I like this present feature, since it is much faster than downloading 
potentially hundereds of files, and I think it should remain as an option 
with future releases.

A digression, an editable From: field would be nice, as apposed to just 
the Reply-To: one. In addition, being able to type in any ISO-8859-x
character set would be a wonderful feature, including bi-directionality 
of text for the appropriate character sets, i.e. Arabic, Hebrew ....

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From: [email-masked] (N Ambrose)
Date: 15 Mar 1996 15:08:05 GMT

>>> PINE itself can be configured to be a pop client, however.

How How How????????
Answers on a post card PLEASE!!!

neil ;-)

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From: "Mr.Root" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 19:23:46 +0100

On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Haisam K. Ido wrote:

> the Reply-To: one.

    This must be selected at time of compilation, for reasons that it
could otherwise be too easy for users to fake mail.  Not that this will
keep them from firing up Netscape...

> In addition, being able to type in any ISO-8859-x

    This is more a function of what your keyboard driver and display can
do for you.  It's not possible to mix character sets, but if I had things
configured properly on this end, I would be able to switch this PC
keyboard to a Czech one and type a message in Czech (ISO-8859-2) with no
difficulty whatsoever (except for lack of knowledge of the language ;-).

    Alternatively, an alternate editor which is aware of the
bi-directionality could be used instead of pico when typing in ISO-8859-6
or -8.  As far as I know, pico doesn't work so well with bidi text, though
it will give you no problems when you are properly configured for any of
the other ISO 8859 subsets.

Barry Bouwsma, <[email-masked]>
Radio Praha Chocolate Importer

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From: [email-masked] (Greg Sullivan)
Date: 16 Mar 1996 21:56:04 GMT

>PINE itself can be configured to be a pop client, however.

     How?  All the documentation that I have seen implies that PINE 
itself cannot retrieve e-mail via POP.  It will do IMAP with no problems 
but POP support is not built in.

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:02:55 -0800 (PST)

> the other ISO 8859 subsets.

There is a "Hebrew Pine" floating around that does support
bi-directional editing.  The necessary patches have not been
incorporated into Pine, but we do plan to do something similar at some
point...

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