Subject: Re: E-mail spam adverts

From: Sven Guckes <[email-masked]>
Date: 5 Mar 1996 22:16:47 GMT

[email-masked] (Philip A Zimmermann) writes:
>... future version of Pine should include a "spamfile", where the system
>administrators can add addresses and subject lines taken from spams and
>compare them to those of incoming email, ...

Keeping this file up-todate requires that *every* mail that comes in has to be
checked.  This is a lot of work which requires a person to read all day.
Well, I won't pay money for someone to read my mail.

Besides, what about my right to receive spam mails if I want them?
Furthermore, why should someone else decide which mail will not get?
And what happens if that person comes up with a spamfile rule that says
"delete every mail that contains the word 'and'"?

				No way!!

Btw, you forgot to add your "CDA supporter signature".  HTH.
(I just hope this isn't the PGP Zimmermann .. ;-)

Sven

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From: [email-masked] (Jon Trulson)
Date: 6 Mar 1996 19:00:46 GMT

Sven Guckes ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Philip A Zimmermann) writes:
: >... future version of Pine should include a "spamfile", where the system
: >administrators can add addresses and subject lines taken from spams and
: >compare them to those of incoming email, ...

: Keeping this file up-todate requires that *every* mail that comes in has to be
: checked.  This is a lot of work which requires a person to read all day.
: Well, I won't pay money for someone to read my mail.

: Besides, what about my right to receive spam mails if I want them?
: Furthermore, why should someone else decide which mail will not get?
: And what happens if that person comes up with a spamfile rule that says
: "delete every mail that contains the word 'and'"?

: 				No way!!

	Actually it would be nice if pine supported the killfile 
concept for both mail and news. I wouldn't be for a sysadmin defined
list of bad addrs, I think that should be a user decision... Oh, it
would also be nice if the news subsystem supported threading.. and..
and... ahhh enough for now ;-)

: Btw, you forgot to add your "CDA supporter signature".  HTH.
: (I just hope this isn't the PGP Zimmermann .. ;-)

: Sven

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From: [email-masked] (Philip A Zimmermann)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:14:10 GMT

: 				No way!!

Read my original posting. The intent is to base the spamfile contents upon 
identifying the spam's source address and/or the subject line. If you've 
used dmail, you'll recognize that I'm not suggesting anything new, just 
something more convenient for the average user. The system administrator 
doesn't read your email. The system administrator gets spammed. Since the 
sysadmin is likely to be reading their mail (and hence the spam) before the 
average user logs on and gets the same spam, the system administrator 
uses a function similar to `Take Address' (currently in Pine), which 
appends the From: address and/or the Subject: line to the spamfile. The 
spamfile is written to only by the sysadmin. It gets read by Pine each 
time a user launches Pine, *IF* the user has their Pine-config file 
spam setting set to "spam off".

I added it; I just used non-printing characters. That way, those who are 
supposed to read it know it's there.

As for PGP Zimmermann...
Well, you figure it out.

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From: Sven Guckes <[email-masked]>
Date: 13 Mar 1996 14:30:05 GMT

[email-masked] (Philip A Zimmermann) writes:
>The intent is to base the spamfile contents upon identifying the spam's source
>address and/or the subject line.  The system administrator doesn't read your
>email. The system administrator gets spammed. Since the sysadmin is likely to
>be reading their mail (and hence the spam) before the average user logs on and
>gets the same spam, the system administrator uses a function similar to `Take
>Address' (currently in Pine), which appends the From: address and/or the
>Subject: line to the spamfile.  The spamfile is written to only by the
>sysadmin. It gets read by Pine each time a user launches Pine, *IF* the user
>has their Pine-config file spam setting set to "spam off".

So only the sys admin gets to edit the spam file?  And he has to read the mail
and update the spam file before other copies hit the users' mailboxes?
Don't you know that this means *immediate* action?

You are imposing the task of constant email scanning upon the sys admin.
Don't you think he has enough email to read and things to take care of?

Btw, you still didn't give a solution to possible errors in the spamfile.
What if a rule kills mails with *vital* info for a user?

Don't you think that a person can take care of his own mailbox?

>If you've used dmail, you'll recognize that I'm not suggesting anything new,
>just something more convenient for the average user.

So dmail has it.  So WHAT?  "Proof by example"?

>> (I just hope this isn't the PGP Zimmermann .. ;-)

You're the Anti-Zimmermann, right?  ;-)

Sven