Subject: Pine wishlist?

From: [email-masked] (Eric A. Hobbs)
Date: 21 Mar 1996 11:54:03 -0800

Hi,

Say, how about adding something to Pine so it doesn't load your entire
INBOX into memory?  I think Elm doesn't do that.  That's my biggest complaint
with Pine is that it's a system killer if you've got a bunch of people
with big INBOXes.

--Eric
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From: [email-masked] (Rick Troxel)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:00:32 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Eric
A. Hobbs) writes:

   Say, how about adding something to Pine so it doesn't load your
   entire INBOX into memory?

If you switch to Tenex format by touching a mail.txt file in your home
directory, your wish will be granted.

Regards,
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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 21:06:21 -0800

> with Pine is that it's a system killer if you've got a bunch of people

Please read the Pine Technical Notes, in which it discusses different
mailbox formats and their implications on memory.

It is not possible to update in place a folder in standard Unix mbox
format or MMDF format due to the way that status information is written in
these formats.  In certain other formats (mtx, tenex, mh)  supported by
Pine, it is possible.

If Pine can not update in place, there are two implementation choices:
	1) use a scratch file
	2) keep an in-memory snapshot of the entire folder

At the time the Unix mbox format code was written, our users tended to be
on the very brink of their disk quotas.  They could not afford to have a
scratch file.  On the other hand, the machines in question had memory to
spare.  The in-memory snapshot can be very fast;  in particular, text
searches (;T command) are instantaneous.

On our systems, we have been moving towards tenex format on black-box IMAP
servers and away from mbox format.  Tenex (and mtx) format is memory-cheap
and reasonably fast (with the exception of ;T searches).

We *are* considering offering support for the scratch file technique in a
future version of Pine, because there are systems such as yours where disk
is cheap and memory is dear.  I can't give any timeline yet; we tend to
give higher priority to fixing bugs and missing functionality, and less
towards changing working code that doesn't affect us or our users.  But I
can tell you that it is seriously on our list now.

-- Mark --

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From: Andrej Borsenkow <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 16:54:57 +0300 (MOW)

> and reasonably fast (with the exception of ;T searches).

The problem with Tenex is, it is not supported by most MTAs. I checked
your imap-utils, and there is a implementation for Tenex local mailer, but
it replaces COMPLETELY the normal one. The implications are:

  system mbox should be in Tenex format;
  I cannot use any filter such as procmail/ELM filter.

Is there any simple tool available, which just takes message and appends
it to Tenex folder in correct format? Such one, as could be used with
procmail.

Many people are using procmail anyway; it is very simple to pipe message
to additional program; procmail also cares about proper locking, so such
program could be made really very simple.

It would provide for system-wide mbox, while allowing to use Tenex for
personal folders (which for me take up most of the traffic anyway).

thanks in advance

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From: Elaine Sue Parrish <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 06:07:28 -0600

Please help me with my Thesis project.

(At the end of this message, there are some questions.) 

I am a post-grad student at Mississippi State University. Last May I 
earned my Master's degree in Technology. This summer I, hopefully, will 
get my Ed.S.

The Technology department at State offers a program that is applicable to
business/industry or education, depending on the electives chosen. 
The program is an overview of the many facets of technology today.

Courses include Networking, Telecommunications (Internet), Lab 
Management, Planing for Technology programs, Multi-Media (incorporating 
Audio, Video, text, graphics, animation, and clipart), Design and 
Evaluation of Software, Emerging Technologies, Repair and Maintenance, 
and software applications Microsoft Works, Compel, HyperCard, PageMaker, 
CorelDraw, and PowerPoint.

*NOTE*: There is no programming in this department and it is not part of, 
nor associated with, the Computer Science Department.

The point of my project is to collect job information about positions in 
the public or private sector that are available to persons with this 
education.

These job titles do not have to be positions that are currently vacant. 
The idea here is to create a database of the kinds of jobs that are out 
there.

If you are interested, you may check out my homepage which is dedicated 
to this project. There are links to my Resume, the computer applications 
that I use, my personal computer-related library, and an overview of the 
course descriptions. 

http://www2.msstate.edu/~esp1/index.html

or (for all the homepages at Mississippi State University, mine included)

http://www.msstate.edu/local_users.html   (no "2")

All questions below are optional; but I would appreciate as much 
information as you will share with me.

Job Title:
Brief Description:
Company:
Brief Description:
City, State:
jobs of this kind in company:
entry level salary:

Comments:

Your Name:
City, State:

Thank you for your time and for your assistance.

Elaine Parrish

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[esp. Arkansas, Texas]: Parrish \ Bowen \ Doroden \ Hamilton \ Chappell

[esp. Missouri {Stoddard Co}]: Douglas \ Henson \ Pirtle; Purtell \ 
Livingston; Levingston \ Malone \ Shrader; Schrader; Schreader \ Moore
      
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