Subject: Help for pine newbie

From: [email-masked] (Robert Strauss)
Date: 16 Jan 1996 15:36:05 GMT

Two things:
when I exited pine, and had, for some reason, 32 messages in my Inbox, Pine
deleted them. They are important. How can I get them back? (Pine asked if I
wanted to delete them and I said NO)

Second, is ther a way, in pine (3.91) to send a binary file?
Thanks,

Bob Strauss
[email-masked]

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From: Anuj Agrawal <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:02:52 -0600 (CST)

Hi,
  i'm new here too, but i'd like to help as much as possible. 8)
To send a binary file, simply put the filename (the full path if 
necessary) under the Attchmnt: option in your header. It's as simple as 
that! LONG LIVE PINE! 8)
nuj.

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From: Jeffrey Goldberg <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:19:18 +0000

> wanted to delete them and I said NO)

I assume that you are using Pine on VMS.  VMS Pine will "move" messages
from INBOX to MAIL.  Use the "L" command to see a list of all your
folders, and check to see whether the message is in any of those.

I may very well have the details (which folders, exectly what gets done
with the message, etc) wrong, but I beleive your mail is in another
folder, unless you really did delete them, and it doesn't sound like you
did.
 
> Second, is ther a way, in pine (3.91) to send a binary file?

Yes.  When your cursor is in the "headers" of the message, type Ctrl-J
and follow the instructions.
 
-jeff

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From: Portia Shao <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:18:25 -0700 (PDT)

> folders, and check to see whether the message is in any of those.

if you are using Pine on VMS from Innosoft (part of the PMDF product) then
Pine does NOT do so for you automatically. via auto-move-read-msgs you
may have configured Pine to do it for you, but otherwise messages are not
moved anywhere unless you Save or Delete them. 

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:56:05 -0500

> wanted to delete them and I said NO)

    If you actually opened (looked at) the messages and then exited 
without taking any other actions, Pine may have transferred them to 
a saved-messages folder.  Try looking for them there.

> Second, is ther a way, in pine (3.91) to send a binary file?

    Yes.  As an attachment.

Paul                             <[email-masked]>
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Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
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From: [email-masked] (The Doctor)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:53:59 GMT

Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]> wrote:          (Tue, 16 Jan 1996
19:56:05 -0500)

->On 16 Jan 1996, Robert Strauss wrote:
->
->> Two things:
->> when I exited pine, and had, for some reason, 32 messages in my Inbox, Pine
->> deleted them. They are important. How can I get them back? (Pine asked if I
->> wanted to delete them and I said NO)
->
->    If you actually opened (looked at) the messages and then exited 
->without taking any other actions, Pine may have transferred them to 
->a saved-messages folder.  Try looking for them there.

There is also a setting to delete anything in the inbox when you quit pine.  I
lost dozens of messages before I found that.  It's somewhere in the settings
screen.

->
->> Second, is ther a way, in pine (3.91) to send a binary file?
->> Thanks,
->
->    Yes.  As an attachment.

When sending a binary file from unix pine to a pc, the file got corrupted.  I
had to uuencode the file before he could receive it properly.

->
->Paul                             <[email-masked]>
->----------------------------------------------------------
->Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
->Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
->Home Page:  URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart     
->

                                                         *-> The Doctor <-*

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From: [email-masked] (The Doctor)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:53:33 GMT

->

->

                                                         *-> The Doctor <-*

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:45:18 -0800 (PST)

> There is also a setting to delete anything in the inbox when you quit
> pine.  I lost dozens of messages before I found that.  It's somewhere in
> the settings screen.

Not quite.  There is an option to move read messages to another folder,
and one to "expunge without confirm" but that only affects messages that
have already been marked Deleted.  In the case of "automatic" deletions as
part of moving messages, this only happens after Pine successfully stores
the message in the read-message-folder.

> When sending a binary file from unix pine to a pc, the file got
> corrupted.  I had to uuencode the file before he could receive it
> properly.

Yes, I've also seen an example of a PC mailer with a broken MIME
implementation.  It couldn't successfully decode a large MIME attachment.
(Replacing that particular PC mailer with PC-Pine solved the problem.)

-teg

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From: [email-masked] (Alan J. Flavell)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 19:21:33 GMT

In article
<[email-masked]>,
>moved anywhere unless you Save or Delete them. 

If you are using Yehavi's free port of PINE, then I would say
that it is probably the VMS MAIL support routines (rather than
PINE itself) that moves the messages from NEWMAIL to MAIL folder
when you have read them.  This is, after all, what happens when
you use VMS MAIL command, and the PINE routines are just calling
the VMS MAIL routines to get service.  (I'm saying nothing about
how PMDF works here, since I have only a passing aquaintance with
it at another site and we clearly have an expert on hand already).

However, PINE would not ask you, under those circumstances,
whether you want to delete the mails.  It only asks that if 
you have marked them for deletion, either implicitly (e.g by
doing a Save to another folder) or explicitly with Delete.

Perhaps the original poster would care to fill in the gaps 
so that we can all clarify our answers.  Or perhaps they tracked
down the mails in the MAIL folder already, and are no longer
looking for an answer...

best regards