Subject: Re: Convert Pine addressbook to Eudora Nicknames (addresses)

From: Joseph Davidson <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 16:07:33 -0500

This is a tougher problem.  Pine requires a first and last name, and uses 
them both in the addresses and to sort the file (on the last name).

Eudora does not require these and if they are there, are there as part of 
the address, such as "Joseph Davidson <[email-masked]>" (quotes 
not included.)  The name does not have to be in any special format.

This means for me to convert back, I would have to do some educated 
guessing -- actually mind reading -- on what the name of the recipient is.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

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Joseph Davidson Ph.D.
InterGuru -- Internet Training and Consulting
Computer and Network Consulting, Win 95 and Mac
1501 Dublin Drive, Silver Spring, Md. 20902
voice 301 593 4152 ; fax 301 593 2541
[email-masked], http://www.interguru.com
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On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Svein Skjaeveland wrote:

> In article <[email-masked]> you wrote:
> 
> : I have written a Perl script which will convert your Pine ".addressbook" file
> : into an Eudora Nickname file.  In less technical terms it converts your Pine
> : addressbook to a Eudora addressbook.
> 
> : You can find it at http://www.interguru.com/pineudo.html
> 
> : If you have problems with the script, or the instructions, feel free to 
> : contact me at [email-masked]
> 
> 
> Do you have a script converting from Eudora to Pine?
> 
> Svein M. Skjaeveland
> 
>

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:01:12 -0800 (PST)

> them both in the addresses and to sort the file (on the last name).

The name in the pine address book doesn't have to have a comma.  If you
use Joseph Davidson as the fullname, then it won't flip the first and last
name around.  You'd lose the sorting on the last name, but that's all.

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From: "Marsha C. Holmes" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:51:06 -0400

Hi

You can use any name you please in Pine...I have several with only one 
name as "Full Name".  As long as you remember the nickname, you can 
always find them.

I think Pine is a *VERY* good mail package and I learn a new feature
almost every day!  I have learned so much about the product just from 
being on this mailing list!  I think it is one of the best.

Cheers!

Marsha

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From: [email-masked] (Joseph Davidson)
Date: 19 Jan 1996 18:22:30 GMT

I am trying to write a Eudora-to-Pine script.  If anyone has some
particulaly difficult Eudora nicknames please send them to me so I can
test my script on them. 

Ken Simler ([email-masked]) wrote:
: First, thank you Joseph for contributing the script.  After seeing a 
: recent post about it in this group from me, Bruce Pleat of Qualcomm 
: contacted me and asked for a pointer to the script.  So keep your eyes 
: open.

: Indeed, going from Eudora Nickname --> Pine address book is a much 
: tougher problem.  Joseph Davidson mentioned that:

: >Eudora does not require these [first and last name] and 
: >if they are there, are there as part of 
: >the address, such as "Joseph Davidson <[email-masked]>" 
: >(quotes not included.)  The name does not have to be in any 
: >special format.

: The last sentence here is the key -- there is no special format, not 
: even a regular or predictable format.  For example, my nndbase.txt 
: doesn't look at all like your example.  Here's a few lines [names 
: changed to protect the innocent]:

: alias ZimbabweNet [email-masked]
: note ZimbabweNet [this line contains all kinds of things about ZimNet, 
: including unreadable ASCII chars for carriage returns I typed in the 
: Eudora Note: window]
: alias CFNPP [addresses of several co-workers]
: alias "Joe Blow" [email-masked]

: So first the script would have to clean things up by trashing all lines 
: beginning with "note", and getting rid of the "alias " at the beginning 
: of all the other lines.  Parsing the Nicknames themselves, however, is 
: tougher, because if there is a space in the nickname, it is enclosed in 
: quotes, but if there's no space, no quotes.  As for sorting on last name 
: a la Pine........aargh!  And then if it hit a nndbase.txt file with 
: names in the format you showed...

: Mind reading is indeed required.  Maybe future versions of Eudora could 
: make it easier to do this.  Delimiting the nndbase.txt fields with tabs, 
: instead of spaces, seems like a simple (perhaps simple-minded?) start.

: I would also like it to be as easy to convert my mailboxes from Eudora 
: --> Unix (Pine or just plain "mail") as it is to convert Pine --> 
: Eudora.

: Ken Simler

: In article <[email-masked]>,
:    Joseph Davidson <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >
: >This is a tougher problem.  Pine requires a first and last name, and 
: uses 
: >them both in the addresses and to sort the file (on the last name).
: >
: >Eudora does not require these and if they are there, are there as part 
: of 
: >the address, such as "Joseph Davidson <[email-masked]>" 
: (quotes 
: >not included.)  The name does not have to be in any special format.
: >
: >This means for me to convert back, I would have to do some educated 
: >guessing -- actually mind reading -- on what the name of the recipient 
: is.
: >
: >Any ideas would be appreciated.
: >
: >----------------------------------------------------------------------
: >Joseph Davidson Ph.D.
: >InterGuru -- Internet Training and Consulting
: >Computer and Network Consulting, Win 95 and Mac
: >1501 Dublin Drive, Silver Spring, Md. 20902
: >voice 301 593 4152 ; fax 301 593 2541
: >[email-masked], http://www.interguru.com
: >----------------------------------------------------------------------

: >On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Svein Skjaeveland wrote:
: >
: >> In article 
: <[email-masked]> you wrote:
: >> 
: >> : I have written a Perl script which will convert your Pine 
: ".addressbook" file
: >> : into an Eudora Nickname file.  In less technical terms it converts 
: your Pine
: >> : addressbook to a Eudora addressbook.
: >> 
: >> : You can find it at http://www.interguru.com/pineudo.html
: >> 
: >> : If you have problems with the script, or the instructions, feel 
: free to 
: >> : contact me at [email-masked]
: >> 
: >> 
: >> Do you have a script converting from Eudora to Pine?
: >> 
: >> Svein M. Skjaeveland
: >> 
: >> 

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From: [email-masked] (Ken Simler)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 14:51:46 GMT

First, thank you Joseph for contributing the script.  After seeing a 
recent post about it in this group from me, Bruce Pleat of Qualcomm 
contacted me and asked for a pointer to the script.  So keep your eyes 
open.

Indeed, going from Eudora Nickname --> Pine address book is a much 
tougher problem.  Joseph Davidson mentioned that:

>Eudora does not require these [first and last name] and 
>if they are there, are there as part of 
>the address, such as "Joseph Davidson <[email-masked]>" 
>(quotes not included.)  The name does not have to be in any 
>special format.

The last sentence here is the key -- there is no special format, not 
even a regular or predictable format.  For example, my nndbase.txt 
doesn't look at all like your example.  Here's a few lines [names 
changed to protect the innocent]:

alias ZimbabweNet [email-masked]
note ZimbabweNet [this line contains all kinds of things about ZimNet, 
including unreadable ASCII chars for carriage returns I typed in the 
Eudora Note: window]
alias CFNPP [addresses of several co-workers]
alias "Joe Blow" [email-masked]

So first the script would have to clean things up by trashing all lines 
beginning with "note", and getting rid of the "alias " at the beginning 
of all the other lines.  Parsing the Nicknames themselves, however, is 
tougher, because if there is a space in the nickname, it is enclosed in 
quotes, but if there's no space, no quotes.  As for sorting on last name 
a la Pine........aargh!  And then if it hit a nndbase.txt file with 
names in the format you showed...

Mind reading is indeed required.  Maybe future versions of Eudora could 
make it easier to do this.  Delimiting the nndbase.txt fields with tabs, 
instead of spaces, seems like a simple (perhaps simple-minded?) start.

I would also like it to be as easy to convert my mailboxes from Eudora 
--> Unix (Pine or just plain "mail") as it is to convert Pine --> 
Eudora.

Ken Simler

In article <[email-masked]>,

>> In article

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew Starr)
Date: 19 Jan 1996 18:35:17 GMT

re converting eudora nicknames to pine:
specifically, regarding the problem of pine having slots for first and
last name, in addition to the nickname.

No law that says we have to make use of these slots just because they
are there.  Why not nickname all and just put in dummies for last
and first.  I may be getting the format wrong, but something like:

AndrewStarr    last, first    [email-masked]

or you could just duplicate the nickname:
Andrew Starr   AndrewStarr, first [email-masked]
and leave it up to the user to edit by hand any that he/she is
really concerned about
or something like that.

-Andrew

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Andrew Starr
[email-masked]
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From: [email-masked] (Ken Simler)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 18:21:28 GMT

I stand corrected on two points I made earlier.  Thanks to Scott Gruby 
from Qualcomm for setting me straight.

In article <[email-masked]>,
   [email-masked] (Ken Simler) wrote:
>doesn't look at all like your example. 
<deletia>

Indeed, Eudora Nicknames files are in a standard format, that used for 
Unix mail aliases (the Unix command mail, not Unix-based mail programs 
like Pine).  One could easily append their nndbase.txt onto their 
$HOME/.mailrc file (after deleting any "note ..." lines) and the aliases 
would be there when using the mail command, which is more of a true 
standard than Pine is.

>--> Unix (Pine or just plain "mail") as it is to convert Pine --> 

It *IS* just as easy, but I swear this wasn't the case in earlier 
versions of Eudora, or am I completely losing it?  Just copy the Eudora 
 .mbx file over to the Unix box, and it's readable by "mail" and Pine.  
I haven't figured out yet how the message flags are handled (all N or 
all blank I could understand, but some of each?), but that's not a big 
problem for me.

Thanks again Scott.

Ken Simler

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew Starr)
Date: 20 Jan 1996 12:47:04 GMT

Any Eudora --> Netscape address book converters out there?

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From: [email-masked] (Ken Simler)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 14:51:46 GMT

Ken Simler

>the address, such as "Joseph Davidson <[email-masked]>" 
(quotes

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From: [email-masked] (Ken Simler)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 18:21:28 GMT

<deletia>

Thanks again Scott.

Ken Simler