Subject: Forwarding messages and .signatures

From: "Brian T. Zimmer" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:16:37 -0600 (CST)

Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the 
message.  However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the 
bottom.  I have signature at bottom turned on.  What is the problem??

Brian

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From: Eric Tse <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:12:01 GMT

> bottom.  I have signature at bottom turned on.  What is the problem??

  It's a feature. When you forward an e-mail, Pine assumes that you type
your own words _before_ the forwarded message. So any recipients can first
read your own words, then read on to the forwarded message. 

Eric

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:01:02 -0500

> bottom.  I have signature at bottom turned on.  What is the problem??

    There is no problem.  This is the way it works, like it or not.

Paul
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From: Ray Marshall <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:02:43 -0500

> bottom.  I have signature at bottom turned on.  What is the problem??

You're right!  According to the help text (when configuring), your sig
file is only put at the bottom on a REPLY, i.e. it says nothing about
FORWARD.  But, let's reflect on this a moment...

When one replies to a message, one normally want's the original text up
first, and responses after the text they apply to.  So, it makes sense
to put the final signature at the bottom of the whole message.

However, when one forwards a message, an explanatory comment is usually
put before the forwarded message, and it makes sense to "sign" that text
separate from the whole mail message.  Putting the signature after the
forwarded message sort of implies that you're signing someone else's
message...  hmmmm.  To me the current functionality seems to make more
sense.

As for your question, I don't believe there IS a problem.  Although I
haven't used many other Email systems, those I have used function just
the same way as pine does.  I suspect that it's functioning exactly as
it was designed to.

Now, if you would like an option to put your sig file AFTER your forwarded
message, you can make a request for that new feature.  But, realize that
pine is OFFICIALLY for those at the University of Washington; and the rest
of us use it through their generosity and good will.  In other words, you
can make a request, and they MAY honor it, but you have no right to expect
that they WILL honor it.

Peace  /  Ray
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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)
Date: 8 Dec 1995 04:33:08 GMT

Ray Marshall ([email-masked]) wrote:
: On 6 Dec 1995, Brian T. Zimmer wrote:
: > Whenever I forward a message, the signature appears at the top of the 
: > message.  However, in all other cases, the signature appears at the 
: > bottom.  I have signature at bottom turned on.  What is the problem??
: You're right!  According to the help text (when configuring), your sig
: file is only put at the bottom on a REPLY, i.e. it says nothing about
: FORWARD.  But, let's reflect on this a moment...
: When one replies to a message, one normally want's the original text up
: first, and responses after the text they apply to.  So, it makes sense
: to put the final signature at the bottom of the whole message.
: However, when one forwards a message, an explanatory comment is usually
: put before the forwarded message, and it makes sense to "sign" that text
: separate from the whole mail message.  Putting the signature after the
: forwarded message sort of implies that you're signing someone else's
: message...  hmmmm.  To me the current functionality seems to make more
: sense.
: As for your question, I don't believe there IS a problem.  Although I
: haven't used many other Email systems, those I have used function just
: the same way as pine does.  I suspect that it's functioning exactly as
: it was designed to.
: Now, if you would like an option to put your sig file AFTER your forwarded
: message, you can make a request for that new feature.  But, realize that
: pine is OFFICIALLY for those at the University of Washington; and the rest
: of us use it through their generosity and good will.  In other words, you
: can make a request, and they MAY honor it, but you have no right to expect
: that they WILL honor it.
: Peace  /  Ray

Thank you Ray aka the 1st person to give an intellegent response to a 
question (other than myself) in the last few days.  G'Day.  sig follows 
... no I didn't say '.signature' I said sig as in filename 'sig' as in ^R 
(control+r) then type sig then press enter.  G'Day again ;-)

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