Subject: Including Another Message When Composing

From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:01:37 -0500

(I use Unix Pine 3.91.)

    From time to time when I am composing a message or reply, I want to 
include another message from some folder as part of what I am composing.  
At present, I have to postpone the composed message, open the folder, 
export the other message to a temporary external file, go back into the 
composer, and read in (Ctrl-R) the temporary file (and remember later to 
delete the temporary).  This works, certainly, but it is a little clumsy.

    Has anyone come up with a smoother technique for this, such as a 
shell script or a Perl program?  If anyone has a good technique they 
are willing to share, I will put in in my World Wide Web page, where I 
already have a couple of useful Pine techniques.  Thanks.

Paul
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From: [email-masked] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Date: 24 Dec 95 02:12:39 GMT

>already have a couple of useful Pine techniques.  Thanks.

This may not be what you want, but I frequently make a series of messages,
usually from people asking me the same sorts of questions, and do an
aggregate reply, or aggregate forward.  Once they are marked, I do a zoom,
unselect any messages I do not want, and type <a><r>, or <a><f>

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From: [email-masked] (Douglas Rockwell)
Date: 25 Dec 1995 20:56:43 GMT

I hve an even more annoying problem-- I use a dial-up shell account.
When reading my mail, often I would like to reply by sending a file that
exists on my Macintosh.

It is tedious to quit PINE, Zmodem the file to the Unix box, open pine
again, & then attach the file.  Oh, I forgot converting it to a neutral
ASCII format so if the recipient is using a computer that's too stupid
to recognize Mac format files he will be able to read it...

Any way to get PINE to burrow backwards & zmodem a specified filename?
Doug

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From: Paul O Bartlett <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 11:56:23 -0500

> again, & then attach the file.

    Unix Pine (at least version 3.91) does not necessarily require that 
you quit entirely to upload a file.  It may be a compile-time or 
system-wide configuration option, but the copy of Pine available to my 
Unix shell account responds to Ctrl-Z to suspend.

    I can start a composition, suspend Pine, upload a file from my PC to 
my current Unix directory, resume Pine with the 'fg' (foreground) 
command, and immediately read in the uploaded file with Ctrl-R.  This 
may not be perfect, but it does not require stopping and restarting Pine, 
just suspending it and resuming at the point of suspension, only 
requiring a few keystrokes.

    As for other computers being too "stupid" to understand Mac format, 
well, that's life.  Some people might say, with equal justification, that 
Mac is too "stupid" to do things the way other systems do it.  There 
simply is no sufficient standardization for now, and we have to live with 
that.

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From: [email-masked] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Date: 26 Dec 95 19:10:17 GMT

>requiring a few keystrokes.

If on is using an error-correcting modem, then the easiest way to insert
across the modem is to simply send the text across the link.  In the good
old days, all comms programs had "text send" options.  Also in the good old
days, one of the standard ways of sending a file to your host was to open
the editor and send the file to the editor.  This would be very appropriate
way of solving this problem.

 >simply is no sufficient standardization for now, and we have to live with 

There is a standard for text files, a flat file, and Mac is the only system
that does not follow it.  Line end chars are easily translated.

Since Mac is the only one that uses the forked file format, and since it is
the responsibility of the sender of a message to make sure the message is
received, if the result is important to them, I would say the stupidity
resides in the sender who doesn't bother to send in a lang that is
understandable to the recipient.

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From: [email-masked] (Jeff Mercer)
Date: 26 Dec 1995 23:19:29 GMT

>When reading my mail, often I would like to reply by sending a file that

Remind me never to send you mail...

"Gee, I think I'll reply by sending a copy of my control panels!"

>again, & then attach the file.

Might wanna try uploading the file *before* going into PINE. DUH!!

>Oh, I forgot converting it to a neutral

*sigh*

A computer is not "stupid" if it doesn't recoginize a proprietary format.
Would you like it if I called you stupid because you couldn't speak fluent
German, French, Spanish, and Ukranian?

>Any way to get PINE to burrow backwards & zmodem a specified filename?

Actually, based on what you say your doing, I would strongly recommend using
uqwk to read your mail (and news if you so wish) offline with the excellent
MacSoup program. Makes it easy to attach files and let's MacGeeks play with
all the mac-specific crap they want...

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