Subject: Problems with multiple nntp servers

From: Gundam <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:53:31 +0100

I'm a novice user of Pine and I have a serious problem with the news 
support of that program.
I have configured Pine to show News from two servers, but if I'm 
subscribed on one server, the newsgroup is shown also in the second!
Is there a trick to split the newsgroup lists by servers?
Thanks for all...
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From: [email-masked] (Simon Ho)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:22:57 GMT

>Is there a trick to split the newsgroup lists by servers?

The problem is  that the newsgroups that you are subscribed to are
listed in one .newsrc file.  You would need something like a batch
file (or shell script)  to handle switching between .newsrc files (ie
copy .newsrc-one_NNTP_server to .newsrc and then copy back when quit
out) before going into Pine configured to the NNTP server of your
choice.

I don't know how to handle shell scripts myself but that seems a way
to do it.

rgds

Simon

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: 11 Nov 1995 20:14:10 -0800

[email-masked] (Simon Ho) writes:
>file (or shell script)  to handle switching between .newsrc files

Or even better would be if Pine could use IMAP to access the .newsrc
on the corresponding server.  Pine developers - is that in the plans
for some version of Pine?

Thanks,
Nancy

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 12:46:00 -0800 (PST)

Nancy,
Pine can already read news via IMAP, but this requires that:
 o you have an account on the News server (to store your.newsrc in).
 o the news server is running an IMAP daemon.

There has also been discussion of having the IMAP server act as a proxy
nntp client, so that an existing news-only server could be used via an
IMAP server.  I believe Esys Inc may have done this already, but it's not
in the UW imap distribution at this time.

The general problem of location-independent access to network application
support files (e.g.  .newsrc, .pinerc, .signature, .addressbook,
.vacation, procmail rule files, web bookmark files, etc) is very
important, and several groups are working on it.  Our challenge will be to
converge on a single approach.

-teg

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:35:45 -0800

> for some version of Pine?

It's there now, and has been for some time.  In IMAP2, open
	*{imapserver}newsgroup
in IMAP4, open
	{imapserver}#news.newsgroup

Note that the IMAP server has to have a local news spool, and of course
you need an account on the server.

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: 14 Nov 1995 12:23:51 -0800

>It's there now, and has been for some time.  In IMAP2, open

Thanks. After some experimenting I discovered that this also works
in IMAP2:

	*{imapserver/imap}newsgroup

I like this better because it reminds me that it's using imap
instead of nntp to access the news group.  Where in the pinerc
does it make sense to put this?  It worked in incoming-folders
but I'm wondering where else it makes sense.

Also, the following works in news-collections:

	*{imapserver/imap}[]

I'm wondering if there's a way to specify a news hierarchy with
something like this:
 
	*{imapserver/imap}#mh/usr/spool/news/hierarchy[]

This didn't work but it seems like something like it should work...

IMAP is the greatest Internet protocol in the universe!
It is the future!
It will be the downfall of the PC and Microsoft!

Nancy

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:14:08 -0800

> 	*{imapserver/imap}newsgroup

Yes, /imap is the default in a network specification.

> Where in the pinerc

Wherever you like.

> Also, the following works in news-collections:

Yes, this is the normal way

> 	*{imapserver/imap}#mh/usr/spool/news/hierarchy[]

No, it won't work.  #mh require a mh profile file with the definition of
the mh path.  And since the mh driver is read/write, you probably wouldn't
want it to work... ;-)

> IMAP is the greatest Internet protocol in the universe!

Thanks.

> It will be the downfall of the PC and Microsoft!

Actually, there's some hope of Microsoft adopting IMAP and supporting it
as part of their bundled TCP/IP applications.  Let's cross fingers...

-- Mark --

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: 16 Nov 1995 08:56:22 -0800

>> but I'm wondering where else it makes sense.

I just tried it in folder-collections and news-collections and it didn't 
work.  It said something about bad context and no '[' in context.  What I'm
trying to do is specify a list of about 10 newsgroups in the pinerc
rather than in newsrc and I'm wondering where, other than incoming-folders,
I could do that.

>Yes, this is the normal way

I'm curious what other ways work.  I know about:

  *{imapserver}[]
  *{imapserver/nntp}[]

But I'm curious what else.

>the mh path.  And since the mh driver is read/write, you probably wouldn't

Well, it would be nice to be able to specify news hierarchies, e.g.,
comp.mail.* in the pinerc.  Any plans for that capability?

>as part of their bundled TCP/IP applications.  Let's cross fingers...

Even if Microsoft adopts IMAP (which I definitely hope they do), IMAP
will help make it easy for little inexpensive "dumb terminals" to access the
Net and thus vastly shrink the market for PCs and Windows.  These dumb
terminals (along with the fact that MS really screwed up about the Internet)
is why Bill Gates sounded so scared and defensive in the brief Comdex 
interview with him I heard on the radio a couple days ago.

Nancy