Subject: PC-Pine to VMS Host

From: [email-masked] (Martin Haagmans)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 20:56:39 GMT

I am trying to setup PC-Pine to get mail from a VMS host that
runs MultiNet. The problem is the entry for "Folder Collections" I
have tried all kinds of variations with no luck.
The error message I get is: 
"Can't connect to cobra.unm.edu,143: Refused (10061)
For the "Inbox Path" I have entered: {cobra.unm.edu}newmail.
I do have a subdirectory called "mail" on the server in my account.
Yes, it is IMAP compliant
Has anybody succesfully connected to a VMS host? 

Martin Haagmans
[email-masked]

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:16:11 -0800 (PST)

Martin,
Try "telnet cobra.unm.edu 143" and you will see that Cobra is not,
in fact, "IMAP compliant"...

-teg

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From: [email-masked] (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279))
Date: 10 Nov 95 06:53:46 GMT

> Yes, it is IMAP compliant

Multinet supports POP, not IMAP server. You should have IMAP server with either
PMDF of the public domain version available from VMS.HUJI.AC.IL. In the latter,
you need the 3.89 version (the 3.91 IMAP server was not modified yet to VMS).

                                                            __YEhavi:

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From: [email-masked] (Alan J Flavell)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:29:13 GMT

>"Can't connect to cobra.unm.edu,143: Refused (10061)
 
I suspect that this has nothing to do with folder collections.
More likely your VMS host is not running an IMAPD process.
Are you its sysadmin?  If not, you'll need to contact that person.
I do not believe that Multinet itself provides an IMAPD server:
there is no mention of such a thing in the Multinet manual that I
just looked into.
 
There is a VMS-ported IMAPD in Yehavi's "free" version of PINE
at VMS.HUJI.AC.IL in directory LOCAL.  I haven't run the IMAPD myself
but I think it works OK and is compatible with Multinet.
(I do run his PINE client successfully with Multinet, and I know
that it can also work with UCX).
 
>Has anybody succesfully connected to a VMS host?
 
I'm certain that some have.  Yehavi would not be offering his
IMAPD if it did not work, that seems sure.  If you try
telnet vms.huji.ac.il/port=imap
it will connect and respond appropriately with "IMAP2bis" service.
Of course I cannot go further because I do not have an account there.
If I try the same experiment to the host that you named, I get
"connection refused".  I feel sure that your host is not yet running
an IMAPD process.  The other explanation could be that you have a
network firewall that is blocking this port number.
 
The folder-collections question comes later.  I don't know the answer,
but perhaps you will find appropriate information with the IMAPD
software.  NEWMAIL is not a folder collection: it is a folder.
My guess, but it is only a guess, is that your folder collection
would be {cobra.unm.edu}mail/[]
 
Probably the PMDF package also includes a version of IMAPD server.

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From: [email-masked] (Andrew C. Stoffel)
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:49:02 GMT

Terry Gray ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Martin,
: Try "telnet cobra.unm.edu 143" and you will see that Cobra is not,
: in fact, "IMAP compliant"...

If you're on cobra.unm.edu try the above using VMS syntax:

telnet/port=143 cobra.unm.edu

In addition, if you 

telnet/port=25 cobra.unm.edu

You'll see that that machine is using TGV's Multinet SMTP package. 
Multinet doesn't include an IMAP server, just POP(2&3). If it had been 
running Innosoft's PMDF e-mail product which does include an IMAP server 
you might have a chance. There is a port of an IMAP server to VMS but it 
obviously isn't running on that machine.

: -teg

: On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Martin Haagmans wrote:

: > I am trying to setup PC-Pine to get mail from a VMS host that
: > runs MultiNet. The problem is the entry for "Folder Collections" I

: > Has anybody succesfully connected to a VMS host?
: > Martin Haagmans
: > [email-masked]

All the time... you just need the correct server running on the machine.

-Andy-
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