Subject: Bug (ID E11RK): (fwd)

From: CLAUDE M PENCHINA <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:11:11 -0400 (EDT)

pine-faq suggested I forward my comments and questions to this address.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions for working around my 
problems.

Thanks.  Original message follows.

Subject: Bug (ID E11RK):
From: CLAUDE M PENCHINA <[email-masked]>
To: Pine Developers <[email-masked]>
Cc: Claude Penchina <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:53:44 -0400 (EDT)

Recently switched from Elm to Pine because Elm saves a copy of a message 
before deleting it.  This causes problem when disk allocation is nearly 
used up.

 I changed for that reason only, but generaly I like pine better.  I find it
somewhat easier to navigate etc.

Following features of Pine are somewhat annoying.  Would be nice if you 
could improve them in future versions of pine.  I'm using pine 3.91 on a 
unix system at OIT at UMass.

  "function keys" listed at the bottom of page are not always consistent for
different windows of pine.  e.g. ^T does different things in different 
places.  This is even more difficult because the editor also has still 
different uses of these keys.

  We can sort folder listing on-line,  but address list can be displayed 
in a different sorting only in some control file commands before opening 
pine.

  Address list can not import data from another ascii file,  e.g. the 
aliases from ELM.

  Address list can not be edited with a simple ascii text editor or word 
processor.

Please let me know if there is a newer better version available.  do I 
have to get the main-frame system administrator to get it for me or can I 
use my own local version?

 Thanks.  Claude Penchina

========== struct pine * ==========
ui:	login = claude, full = CLAUDE M PENCHINA
	home = /usr/users/user4/claude
home_dir=	/usr/users/user4/claude
hostname=	titan.oit.umass.edu
localdom=	oit.umass.edu
userdom=	NULL
maildom=	titan.oit.umass.edu
cur_cntxt=	Mail/[]
cur_fldr=	address
actual mbox=	/usr/users/user4/claude/Mail/address
msgmap: tot=3, cur=3, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival
actual inbox=	inbox
inbox map: tot=0, cur=0, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival
term type=vt100, ttyname=/dev/ttyp1, size=24x80, speed=normal
======= Current_val options set =======
        personal-name : CLAUDE M PENCHINA
              user-id : claude
           inbox-path : inbox
   folder-collections : Mail/[]
          default-fcc : ""
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       mail-directory : Mail
  read-message-folder : received
       signature-file : .signature
         address-book : .addressbook
         feature-list : auto-move-read-msgs
                      : enable-full-header-cmd
                      : enable-bounce-cmd
                      : signature-at-bottom
                      : enable-aggregate-command-set
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : enable-unix-pipe-cmd
                      : use-current-dir
                      : disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
 default-composer-hdr : To
                      : Cc
                      : Subject
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lpr
 last-time-prune-ques : 95.10
    last-version-used : 3.91
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : [email-masked]
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (/usr/users/user4/claude/.pinerc) =======
 last-time-prune-ques : 95.10
    last-version-used : 3.91
======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) =======
           inbox-path : inbox
   folder-collections : Mail/[]
          default-fcc : ""
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       mail-directory : Mail
  read-message-folder : received
       signature-file : .signature
         address-book : .addressbook
         feature-list : auto-move-read-msgs
                      : enable-full-header-cmd
                      : enable-bounce-cmd
                      : signature-at-bottom
                      : enable-aggregate-command-set
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : enable-unix-pipe-cmd
                      : use-current-dir
 default-composer-hdr : To
                      : Cc
                      : Subject
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lpr
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : [email-masked]
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
======= Fixed_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed) =======
         feature-list : disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
========== Feature settings ==========
  no-assume-slow-link
     auto-move-read-msgs
  no-auto-open-next-unread
  no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
  no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
  no-delete-skips-deleted
  no-disable-config-cmd
     disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
  no-disable-password-cmd
  no-disable-update-cmd
     enable-aggregate-command-set
  no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd
  no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
     enable-bounce-cmd
  no-enable-flag-cmd
     enable-full-header-cmd
  no-enable-incoming-folders
     enable-jump-shortcut
  no-enable-mail-check-cue
  no-enable-suspend
     enable-tab-completion
     enable-unix-pipe-cmd
  no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
  no-expanded-view-of-folders
  no-expunge-without-confirm
  no-include-attachments-in-reply
  no-include-header-in-reply
  no-include-text-in-reply
  no-news-approximates-new-status
  no-news-post-without-validation
  no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
  no-preserve-start-stop-characters
  no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
  no-quit-without-confirm
  no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
  no-save-will-not-delete
  no-save-will-advance
  no-select-without-confirm
  no-show-selected-in-boldface
     signature-at-bottom
     use-current-dir
  no-use-function-keys

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From: [email-masked] (Sven Guckes)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:30:14 +0100 (MET)

Quoting CLAUDE M PENCHINA:
> before deleting it.

Not true!  If you use "s" to save then, yes, it saves a copy.
However, you can use "d" to mark the current message for deletion.

> I changed for that reason only, but generaly I like pine better.

WHAT?  argh

> Address list can not import data from another ascii file,
> e.g. the aliases from ELM.

Aw, come on!  You cannot expect a format conversion of every format there is
with every program you might use.  Use a script for conversion!

Sven