Subject: printing from pine over phone lines

From: Bob Patrick <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:48:10 -0400 (EDT)

Here's a quoted message from someone having trouble. Any ideas?

"I am having a consistent problem with Pine at home. Each time that I try
to print messages of any length (over 2 or 3 Pine screens worth), my
printout is not complete. I am using the "Y" command to print entire
documents since I can no longer scroll back through the buffer
highlighting the specific text that I want to print. I have tried other
VersaTerm options such as saving stream, etc., but the saved text has all
manner of codes at the start of lines and repeated text (Pine seems to
repeat the last line or so from the previous screen at the top of the next
screen)."

Thanks,

bob

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From: Lea Andrellan <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:59:41 -0600 (MDT)

> repeat the last line or so from the previous screen at the top of the next

The following is from the Pine 3.91 Help pages, and it's helped a few of 
our users experiencing similar problems to Bob's:

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CONTROL KEYS NOT USED BY PINE:  Most commands in Pine are single letters,
with --we hope-- some mnemonic value, but in places where Pine is expecting
text input, e.g. in the composer or at prompts for file/folder names,
control keys must be used for editing and navigation functions.

Pine has used nearly all the control keys available.  There are, however,
certain control keys that are reserved by other programs or for technical
reasons.  Pine does not use any of these keys:
                Ctrl-S    Used by Unix as "stop output"
                Ctrl-Q    Used by Unix as "resume output"
                Ctrl-]    Often used by Telnet as escape key
                Ctrl-\   Often used by Unix as "Abort"
                ESC       Conflicts with sequences used for arrow keys

Note: by default, Pine treats Ctrl-S or Ctrl-Q (sometimes known as XOFF
and XON), as normal characters, even though Pine does not use them.
However, the printer, modem, or communication software you are using may
be configured for "software flow control" which means that XON/XOFF must
be treated as special characters by the operating system.  If you see
messages such as "^X not defined for this screen", or if messages
printed via the "attached-to-ansi" option are missing pieces, then your
system is probably using software flow control. In this case you will need
to set the "preserve-start-stop-characters" feature.  If you *do* set this
feature, be advised that if you accidentally hit a Ctrl-S, Pine will
mysteriously freeze up with no warning.  In this case, try typing a Ctrl-Q
and see if that puts things right.

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Lea

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From: Will Linden <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 21:22:27 -0400 (EDT)

I have similar problems sometimes...it seems to be connected with the 
length of the file, and the printer having consequent problems keeping up 
with the "download".
   Can your friend handle the matter by using the E(xport) function to 
create a separate file, and downloading that for later printing?

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From: Bob Patrick <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 11:09:18 -0400 (EDT)

> create a separate file, and downloading that for later printing?

Sure, that's an option.  I was hoping there would be a setting somewhere
that would smooth the receipt of the information pine is sending (although
admittedly I haven't tried *everything*). Versaterm generally has no
problem printing from pine otherwise, so I suppose the problem might be
related to the phone line transmission somehow. 

Although this problem didn't occur when Versaterm was used over the same 
phone lines to print from allin1 on a VAX...

-bob

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From: [email-masked] (David Mullaney)
Date: 23 Aug 1995 16:49:35 GMT

Bob Patrick ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Here's a quoted message from someone having trouble. Any ideas?

: "I am having a consistent problem with Pine at home. Each time that I try
: to print messages of any length (over 2 or 3 Pine screens worth), my
: printout is not complete. I am using the "Y" command to print entire
: documents since I can no longer scroll back through the buffer
: highlighting the specific text that I want to print. I have tried other
: VersaTerm options such as saving stream, etc., but the saved text has all
: manner of codes at the start of lines and repeated text (Pine seems to
: repeat the last line or so from the previous screen at the top of the next
: screen)."

QUICK AND DIRTY WORK-AROUND:
Use your communications software facility for printing (Alt-l <ell> for
ProComm Plus) to dump each screen to the printer.  One disadvantage is that
you get two lines printed twice at each screen break (with some menu text
intermixed).
A double-deep work around would be to save the file to a temporary file,
leave pine, and use the printing facility in combination with "cat" or
some equivalent viewing facility.

P.S. I would like to be able to use the "Y" command as well at home --
or on site for that matter.

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