Subject: IMAP Client for Mac - {Eudora?}

From: [email-masked] (Ted Eytan)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 14:01:29 -0700

To anyone knowledgeable about IMAP/POP servers:

I have been using Mac Eudora successfully on POP-equipped machines for a
few years now at various instututions.  I have just moved to Seattle, and
find that the U of Washington does not seem to support POP and uses IMAP
instead. I had thought that POP was standard.

I am seeking advice on a good IMAP client (ideally, a Eudora-esque, or
even an IMAP-Eudora) and any information about IMAP vs. POP.  I have
investigated Mailstrom which seems pretty antiquated (the U distributes v.
1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines. 

Any advice is greatly appreciated, feel free to email me personally.

Ted Eytan
Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound
Seattle, WA
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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan K. Cohen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:01:30 -0700

> 1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines. 
MailDrop 1.1 from Baylor University is really the leading contender
right now, although there's a commercial package called Simeon
that I'd like to know more about.

Mail Drop info:

http://ackmo.baylor.edu/files/Mail_Drop/info.html
ftp://ackmo.baylor.edu/pub/bell/Mail_Drop
[email-masked]

Simeon info:

The ESYS Corporation - [email-masked]
402 424-4922 voice

What I'd really like to see is Eudora for IMAP. No mail package for a
similar context has Eudora's feature set, and any move away from
Eudora seems like a step backwards -- far backwards. Are you listening,
Qualcomm?

(Info courtesy of Terry Gray's IMAP software resource listing at
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.software
)

Jonathan

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From: [email-masked] (Cyrus Daboo)
Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:15:57 GMT

Hi,
I've been developing an IMAP client for the Macintosh called Mulberry. Its currently very close to completion. Its being beta tested by a number of people in the UK, but I'd quite like to have a few international beta testers as well, so if you'd like to test it please email me:

Cyrus Daboo <[email-masked]>

Features include:

-Full drag & drop support for messages - you can drag messages between mailboxes to copy them etc., or drag to the Finder to create a clipping file.

-Can open multiple mailbox windows.

-Mailbox windows are fully configurable - you can choose which information to have displayed (e.g. message size, message sender, subject etc).

-Outgoing mail can be automatically recorded in any mailbox.

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From: [email-masked] (Roy Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:15:54 -0400

> 1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines. 

Check out http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/cyrus/email/clients-IMAP.html for
a list of IMAP clients.  I've been a big fan of Eudora, but have started
using MailDrop, and while it's not as "featureful" as Eurodra, it seems to
work well enough.

A new entry in the field seems to be a commercial program called Simeon,
which I have no experience with.  They have their own WWW site (pointed to
from the page cited above), but it's pretty useless as far as information
content goes, and is pretty high on my list of "most badly designed WWW
pages I've ever seen" :-)

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Roy Smith <[email-masked]>
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NYU School of Medicine, 550 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
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From: [email-masked] (Karl Harrison)
Date: 13 Jul 1995 15:04:07 GMT

Roy Smith ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Ted Eytan) wrote:
: > I am seeking advice on a good IMAP client (ideally, a Eudora-esque, or
: > even an IMAP-Eudora) and any information about IMAP vs. POP.  I have
: > investigated Mailstrom which seems pretty antiquated (the U distributes v.
: > 1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines. 

: A new entry in the field seems to be a commercial program called Simeon,
: which I have no experience with.  They have their own WWW site (pointed to
: from the page cited above), but it's pretty useless as far as information
: content goes, and is pretty high on my list of "most badly designed WWW
: pages I've ever seen" :-)

If thought that was bad, then you should have seen their most un-"Macintosh" 
like program Mac ECSMail which is the fore-runner to this Simeon. I tested 
for my old University the Mac Beta 2.x version of ESCMail and it was a very 
sad copy of the MS Windows based IMAP client program. I have not tried 
testing Simeon though I do still hope for the best...... However, my 
current University denies a Macintosh version exists, so I'll have to 
wait and see. 

I currently use Mail Drop, which is very good though still lacks the 
multiple mailbox feature.

Karl 

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Roseman)
Date: 13 Jul 1995 17:08:09 GMT

>current University denies a Macintosh version exists, so I'll have to 

the mac 2.x was as you say, a rotten (and never working) cheap port
of a windows interface, and i'm glad it was never really released..
it was so far from "the right thing" its not funny.

the new simeon interface is much better; in fact the entire metaphor
was borrowed straight from the mac finder (the hierarchical list view).  
it is a much nicer system and much more consistent.  there were a few
complaints early on from some windows folk who thought it looked too much 
like a mac interface mind you. :-)  

mark

caveat: i designed the interface

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From: [email-masked] (Giordy Salvi)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:31:23 GMT

>: pages I've ever seen" :-)

Any chance of reposting that web page?  However bad, it might be
interesting?

Thanks.

Giordy Salvi
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From: [email-masked] (Chuck Tomasi)
Date: 14 Jul 1995 08:59:43 -0500

>>: > 1.05), and pine causes me to use up too much time over dialup lines. 

One good application that I'm aware of is called MailDrop.  I believe
the current version is 1.1.  I don't recall where I got it from (some
FTP site out there), but it shouldn't be too hard to find.  It works
fairly well.  The only problem I had was entering my password.  For some
reason it didn't like mine, but it would accept everyone else's.  I
finally found out that I was a little too anal about adding non-alphanum
characters and MailDrop didn't want to work with a space in my password.
Unlike PINE and the same password on a UNIX system which did work.
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From: [email-masked] (Amos A. Gouaux)
Date: 16 Jul 1995 11:43:37 -0500

A complete listing of IMAP software, both clients and servers, is
available at:

Amos

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From: [email-masked] (Yuji Shinozaki)
Date: 18 Jul 1995 02:06:04 GMT

Chuck Tomasi ([email-masked]) wrote:
: One good application that I'm aware of is called MailDrop.  I believe
: the current version is 1.1.  I don't recall where I got it from (some
: FTP site out there), but it shouldn't be too hard to find.  It works
: fairly well.  The only problem I had was entering my password.  For some
: reason it didn't like mine, but it would accept everyone else's.  I
: finally found out that I was a little too anal about adding non-alphanum
: characters and MailDrop didn't want to work with a space in my password.
: Unlike PINE and the same password on a UNIX system which did work.

I like and use Mail Drop, and the author, Carl Bell, is very receptive to
comments and bug reports.

See 
	http://ackmo.baylor.edu/files/Mail_Drop/info.html
and/or
	ftp://ackmo.baylor.edu./pub/bell/Mail_Drop

I think the password problem is due to the imapd, it takes one argument for
the password command, and unfortunately, a space makes it think there is two.
Maybe pine (are you running it as a imap client, or as /var/spool/mail
reader?) passes the arguments properly (within quotes?) to handle spaces. 
Popper and pop3d also show the same behavior, so you may need to adjust
your passwords to omit spaces when/if you are using imap and/or pop.

yuji
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From: [email-masked] (Carl W. Bell)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:06:47 -0500

>the password command, and unfortunately, a space makes it think there is two.

No, this is a bug, er, limitation, in Mail Drop.  What Mail Drop is supposed
to do is use the IMAP "literal" feature when sending a password that contains
"funny" characters, which should include space.  This will be fixed in the
next version.

-cb

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[email-masked]               Academic Computing - Baylor University CCIS

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From: [email-masked] (Garry A Weil)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:30:00 -900

> -Outgoing mail can be automatically recorded in any mailbox.

Are you still accepting beta testers? I would like to help you test it out.

Thanks,

Garry Weil
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