Subject: customized-hdrs, the real story!

From: Ben Parker <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:26:59 -0700

Ok, I got tired of waiting and spent awhile fussing with this in my
pinerc file.  I tried changing the text of the header in the customized
headers section thinking that might have an effect.  Here is what I
discovered: 

  Reply-to:  (address)       works
  Reply-To:  (address)       works
  Reply to:  and Reply To:   do NOT work  (show up as 'Reply    ')

Then I tried altering my address by adding <> brackets, adding a 
name+brackets, etc.  

All of the above produced the same results I have reported earlier: 
i.e. the 'Reply To: shows when invoking 'Rich Header' (ctrl-R) in 
compose but does NOT get saved to Fcc, nor sent in the message/news post.

Finally, I tried a completely different (but valid) address and VOILA! 
the reply-to line suddenly works as advertised.  It seems that IF the 
'Reply-to' address is the same as your 'From' address, then Pine 
suppresses it internally.  If it is different, then is allows it to pass.
(check this email and news post to see what I mean)

Thus the mystery is solved, and it is a Pine internal matter, not some 
external software issue.

However, I respectfully suggest that this 'feature' should be disabled
in the next version of Pine and the 'Reply-To' be allowed if present in
the customised header section.  I don't really care about email.  All
mail programs seem to handle replies OK.  Not all newsreaders however
interpret the 'From' correctly when replies by email are made.  I am
more concerned that I have a correct 'Reply-to:' line in news posts. 

If Pine is going to make news posts (I confess I only use Pine as an 
email program and to post simultaneous email/news, I do not use Pine to 
read news and probably never will), then I think Pine should allow me 
to structure the headers the way I want and not also do other internal 
checking and modifying/suppressing.

I appreciate your help in learning more about Pine!  Keep up the good work!

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   Ben Parker (IL) [email-masked]  [email-masked]

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From: "Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:57:38 -0400

BP>  Reply to:  and Reply To:   do NOT work  (show up as 'Reply    ')
 Of course this is invalid per the email RFC - you cannot have space in 
the header title field!
 I don't quite understand what you mean to achieve in terms of news - if 
a newsreader can't handle the 'From:' then it's broken, and may as well 
have trouble with 'Reply-To:' just the same. While I can't see why Pine 
wouldn't let it thru, it really doesn't make much sense to have superflous 
'Reply-to:' identical to the 'From:' address...

 Zoli [email-masked] (note my old full address @bcuxs2 is retired)
"For my assured failures and derelictions, I ask pardon beforehand of my
betters and my equals in my calling." - Rudyard Kipling

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From: [email-masked] (Joan Korenman)
Date: 26 Jun 1995 00:00:48 -0400

In article <[email-masked]>,
Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq <[email-masked]> wrote:

> ... it really doesn't make much sense to have superflous 

	I use Reply-to headers frequently when I send messages to email
lists.  Many lists are set up so that the reply automatically goes back
to the list.  When I want to be sure that the replies come to me rather
than cluttering up the email list (e.g., if I offer to send people a 
file, or I want to post a questionnaire), I put a Reply-to header that
directs the reply to me rather than to the list (the last thing most lists
need are 50 "please send me your file" messages).  If in fact Pine doesn't
permit the Reply-to address to be the same as the From address, I think 
that's an error that should be corrected in the next version.  (This may
not be critical for people using Pine to reply, but MANY mail systems 
don't give people a choice of addresses to reply to.)

	Joan Korenman ([email-masked])