Subject: Quote longer than reply

From: Kevin Yeung <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:22:36 +0800 (HKT)

Hello everybody,

I use pine to read/reply news and it works fine until just then I 
realized it didn't let me post when "quote longer than reply."  Geez, 
somehow I really had to.  How to switch off this ugly feature?  Thank you.

--
Kevin Yeung
email: [email-masked]

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:17:12 +0100 (BST)

This is nothing to do with Pine, but with your news server.

It is possible for the systems administrator to configure the news server 
to reject articles -- doesn't matter if they come from Pine, Tie, 
whatever -- if there is more "included" text than original material 
contributed to the article by yourself.

Mike Brudenell                                               <[email-masked]>
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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)
Date: 22 May 1995 04:39:59 GMT

Kevin Yeung ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hello everybody,
: I use pine to read/reply news and it works fine until just then I 
: realized it didn't let me post when "quote longer than reply."  Geez, 
: somehow I really had to.  How to switch off this ugly feature?  Thank you.
:
: Kevin Yeung
: email: [email-masked]

Eliminate quotations except for those few lines neccessary to follow the 
thread, or as Ralph Waldo Emerson once said: "I hate quotations; Tell me 
what you know."

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From: "Paul O. Bartlett" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:10:26 -0400

On 22 May 1995, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote:

> Date: 22 MAY 1995 04:39:59 GMT 
> From: Jonathan and DearOldDad <[email-masked]>
> Newgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Re: Quote longer than reply 
> 

    This is a good suggestion.  At the same time, I wonder whether it is 
Pine that is fussing about quotation being longer than new material or 
the mail server.  Based on my USENET experiences, I suspect that the 
problem lies with your mail server rather than with Pine itself.  Some 
mail servers are fussier than others.

Paul
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From: Ian Russell Ollmann <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 14:21:50 -0700

To my knowledge, the filter that determines the length of the quote simply
counts the number of lines that begin with ">", compared with those that
don't. If you simply replace all of the > with something else such as I 
have done below, then you can quite easily post something with more 
included text than new.   -Ian

On 18 May 1995, Kevin Yeung wrote:

; Hello everybody,
; 
; I use pine to read/reply news and it works fine until just then I 
; realized it didn't let me post when "quote longer than reply."  Geez, 
; somehow I really had to.  How to switch off this ugly feature?  Thank you.
; 
; --
; Kevin Yeung
; email: [email-masked]
;

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)
Date: 22 May 1995 18:03:26 GMT

Paul O. Bartlett ([email-masked]) wrote:
       some stuff and then ...
: On 22 May 1995, Jonathan and DearOldDad wrote:
: > Kevin Yeung ([email-masked]) wrote:
: > : Hello everybody,
: > : I use pine to read/reply news and it works fine until just then I 
: > : realized it didn't let me post when "quote longer than reply."  Geez, 
: > : somehow I really had to. How to switch off this ugly feature? Thank you.
: > : Kevin Yeung
: > : email: [email-masked]
: > Eliminate quotations except for those few lines neccessary to follow the 
: > thread, or as Ralph Waldo Emerson once said: "I hate quotations; Tell me 
: > what you know."
:     This is a good suggestion.  At the same time, I wonder whether it is 
: Pine that is fussing about quotation being longer than new material or 
: the mail server.  Based on my USENET experiences, I suspect that the 
: problem lies with your mail server rather than with Pine itself.  Some 
: mail servers are fussier than others.
: Paul

No, it's not your mail server, it's PINE.  Now I'm not using pine right
now, and I could end this message here and say G'day, which if you notice
my original response was 3 lines to an 8 line quote, but if I were using
pine I would either have to cut out some of the quotes or I would say: 

well,
it's
been
very
nice
talking
to
ya'll
and
now
pine
is
happy.

G'day
John (aka DearOldDad)

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:00:21 -0700 (PDT)

Jonathan,
You are mistaken.
The "quote longer than reply" error msg does NOT come from Pine.
But it's not from your mail server either... it's from your nntp server.

-teg

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 23 May 1995 20:50:02 GMT

Kevin's question suggestions a concern I hadn't thought of. 
    If, like many others, I take advantage of pine's ability to 
    intersperse my comments with the passages I'm replying to, will 
    some daemon still keep track of who's longer-winded??

    >   it didn't let me post when "quote longer than reply."  Geez,
-- >Kevin Yeung 
    >   email:  [email-masked]

R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life
[email-masked] or (better) [email-masked]
I speak for me. Only.

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 09:07:01 +0100 (BST)

Yes, but only for news articles posted to a news server whose software 
has been configured to reject articles with more included material than 
"fresh".  A lot of news servers are not configured like this (our was, 
until I changed it!).  You can be as "inclusive" as you like when sending 
e-mail.

Interesting question:

If someone has sent out a verbose article/message and you reply including 
large portions of it with little "fresh" material, does this make you 
verbose by association?  :-)

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From: Moshe Segal <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 11:44:00 -0400

Actually, the thing that annoys me more than quotes that are longer than 
the new text is those people who reply immediately, and then leave the 
entire message, including the sig, in tact at the end.  I get the 
impression that my responder has much more to say than he/she really 
does, and what probably happened is that there was no real intention to 
make any quotations.  Pine gives a prompt for both mail and news 
concerning "include original message ... "  It shouldn't be that hard to 
just say no if you are sure the recipient will remember his/her own subject.

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From: [email-masked] (Alan J Flavell)
Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 17:53:35 GMT

In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950528113831.17383A-100000@discover>
Moshe Segal <[email-masked]> writes:
 
>entire message, including the sig, in tact at the end.  ...
 
Well, the thing that annoys me are discussions that seem to have
nothing to do with the chosen group.
 
Do you have some proposal for a modification to Pine to avoid the
misbehaviour that you describe?  Apparently you do not.
 
regards