Subject: Re: IMAP confusion (and addressbook too)

From: [email-masked] (H. Marc Kneppers)
Date: 1 May 1995 16:10:26 -0600

In article <[email-masked]>,
H. Marc Kneppers <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>Problem is that I can't send mail. When I send it, the screen beeps at me 
>and then puts the cursor back up into the To: line. (a few seconds delay 
>here and there as well)

>Thanks,
>Marc Kneppers
>[email-masked]

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the error I get is something
like:
	protocol error: 421 (SMTP connection went away)

Marc

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From: "H. Marc Kneppers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 16:06:39 -0600

On Tue, 2 May 1995, Mark Crispin wrote:

> "SMTP connection went away" indicates that the connection to the SMTP
> server closed unexpectedly.  I wonder if there might be some sort of
> "security" feature on the UNIX machine that prevents SMTP from the PC from
> working.  Can you telnet to port 25 on the UNIX server from the PC?

Yup. I can telnet to port 25 and also port 143 if that helps any.
There's an ethernet connection between the PC and Unix. I'm not sure if 
the Unix machine even knows that the request is coming from a PC.
It's (supposedly) standard Svr4 UNIX, with a few Tandem add-ons. If it is 
a security feature - I haven't heard of it through the local documentation.

Would you expect anything different if I was running the sendmail daemon 
instead of smtpd? (I somehow doubt it.)

Marc
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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:24:38 -0800 (GMT)

> instead of smtpd? (I somehow doubt it.)

	What TCP/IP stack are you running on the PC?  I've seen problems
with FTP Software's stack in version 2.3 and below.

					Ed

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 12:50:32 -0700

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On Tue, 2 May 1995, H. Marc Kneppers wrote:
>
> On Mon, 1 May 1995, Mark Crispin wrote:
>
> > You don't need an SMTP gateway, but do you do need an SMTP server
> > somewhere to talk to.  If your PC is on the Internet, almost any system
> > will do, but you should probably pick a machine that is local to you
> > (e.g. your local UNIX machine).
> >
> > You tell PC-Pine which server to use by setting the smtp-server
> > configuration parameter.
> >
>
> I've got the server - you're right, it's our local UNIX machine.
> WHen I send mail however, it doesn't work. I get the messages that the
> SMTP connection "went away".
> THe machine I am connecting to is running svr4 UNIX and it handles SMTP
> just fine.
> I've got the smtp-server configuration parameter set to the UNIX machine's
> name and that works fine since I can go to the UNIX machine and
> get IMAP to serve me a file.
>
> Are there any permissions that I need to set or extra files that I need to
> enter the IMAP service in (other than /etc/services and inetd.conf)?
>
> Does SMTP need to be told to expect mail from outside the local machine
> or does IMAp take care of that? We aren't connected to the net yet but we do
> have IP addressed on the UNIX machine and the PC's
>
> Thanks
> Marc Kneppers
> [email-masked]
>
>

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From: [email-masked] (DeWitt Clinton)
Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 11:48:43 -0500

Hi all,

I was hoping switch to emacs as the default editor for pine on SunOS 4.3.

Here is the line from my .pinerc

   editor=/usr/local/bin/emacs

Obviously, it doesn't work or I wouldn't be posting here.  When I compose
it drops me right into pico.  Any ideas?

-DeWitt

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From: "H. Marc Kneppers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:39:04 -0600

Hi,

OK, I've got PC-Pine ... I've got Unix Pine ... I've got the imapd 
running ... I've got TCP/IP on the PC running. I can access my mail 
folders on the Unix machine with PC-Pine via imapd. This is GREAT, works 
well. (for windows, by the way).

What's wrong?

Do I need something else, like an SMTP gateway (this is what the PC guy 
tells me is required for commercial packages - but it costs big bucks) ?
I thought that Pine took care of this.

Help, I am a little confused.

	On a second minor point - how do I get PC-Pine to see an addressbook
	on the Unix machine. (or a signature for that matter)? When I specify
	{machine.here.there}/path/.addressbook it just creates a file on my
	PC's hard drive called c:/{machine.her 

Thanks,

Marc Kneppers
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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 17:43:42 -0700

Did you try changing the smtp-server variable in PC-Pine to point to some
other UNIX server?  Unfortunately, this sort of thing is very difficult
to debug remotely; also most versions of PC-Pine do not have any way to
record debugging telemetry (it'd be interesting to see where in the SMTP
transaction it chokes).

-- Mark --

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From: "H. Marc Kneppers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:14:52 -0600

> record debugging telemetry (it'd be interesting to see where in the SMTP

No luck, we're not on the net and only have one UNIX server. We've been 
playing around with the tcp/ip stack etc. on the pc's but nothing has 
worked yet.

Marc
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From: "H. Marc Kneppers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:06:54 -0600

Thanks
Marc Kneppers
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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:57:17 -0700

-- Mark --

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From: "H. Marc Kneppers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:35:30 -0600

> with FTP Software's stack in version 2.3 and below.

I'm not the PC guy, but when I ask him about that he says this:
He's not sure what you mean by 'stack'. I assume that it is the protocol 
layers or something like that - tcp/ip sits on top of something else, etc.
APparently, there seem to be two stacks, one that comes with windows and 
one that the Novell network uses. (Windows 3.11, Novell Lan Workplace for 
DOS 4.2). The order of loading seems to be: Novell stack (ipx), then tcp, 
then windows (netbui). From there we try to run Pine.

Any help at all?
Thanks,
Marc
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From: [email-masked] (Mohammad Aslam Khan)
Date: 18 May 1995 22:44:27 GMT

DeWitt Clinton ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Hi all,

: I was hoping switch to emacs as the default editor for pine on SunOS 4.3.

: Here is the line from my .pinerc

:    editor=/usr/local/bin/emacs

: Obviously, it doesn't work or I wouldn't be posting here.  When I compose
: it drops me right into pico.  Any ideas?

 I did it the following way and it's working for me but I m using vi though.
 Following is the way I did it.
1) In set up of configuration there is a feature list. I set the  
   enable-alternate-editor-implicitly option on.
2) There is an option to set the name of editor. It is at third position
   from very bottom of configuration set up. I just typed vi over there.

   Let's hope it will work fo r U too. Have fun in using your favourite
   word processor as I m having fun using vi with pine.
Bye
Mohammad Khan
e-mail
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-DeWitt

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