Subject: Change return address ("From:") in Pine

From: [email-masked] (Mark Swearingen)
Date: 6 May 1995 13:05:08 GMT

Is there a way to change the return address ("From:" line) in a mail message 
created in Pine?  I see the following parameters in .pinerc for changing the 
personal name and the domain name, but nothing for changing the user name:

   # Over-rides your full name from Unix password file. Required for PC-Pine.
   personal-name=

   # Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail.
   user-domain=

Thanks for any help you can offer,

--- Mark Swearingen / NYC

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From: Aladdin Khamis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 15:47:14 +0000 (GMT)

Can somebody send me a sample copy for .procmailrc, that I can use under 
pine to do mail filtering ?
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From: [email-masked] (Trey Harris)
Date: 7 May 1995 15:54:21 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
>personal name and the domain name, but nothing for changing the user name:

Ack, nak!  Don't ask for that! That ain't a feature, that's a bug.  With
20,000 users (most of whom are undergraduates), I probably get two or
three complaints from faculty who have gotten suspicious email of which
the supposed sender later denied authorship.   And usually it isn't 
unattended terminal syndrome, either, but kids who have figured out how 
to use /usr/lib/sendmail or telnet localhost smtp.

I spend enough time already consoling those profs and explaining to them 
how the big wide Net works.  If Pine had a *configuration option* for 
forging messages, I wouldn't have time to do anything else!

Security through obscurity... :)
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  System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology
                       The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

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From: [email-masked] (James Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 15:10:16 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mark Swearingen) writes:
>I understand your concern re: deceptive e-mail and the problems it presents you 
>as a system administrator.  It was certainly not my intent to encourage 
>forgery.  However, for people who have more than one address at which they can 
>receive e-mail, it would be convenient to set the return address at one 
>location to the other address, so that all return mail came to one location.  
>Thus, there is a "legitimate" use for such a feature.

This is why there is a Reply-To field.  Either edit your .pinerc
file to add that to the customized-hdrs variable, or use the Setup-Config
command to add the customized header.

If I were to add this, it might look like this in the .pinerc:

customized-hdrs=Reply-To: [email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Swearingen)
Date: 8 May 1995 09:43:47 GMT

People who want to decieve will find a way, even if Pine doesn't offer it.  
Spry's AIR Mail program for Windows, which is what I normally use, allows you 
to set your return address to anything you want, so anyone with a PC can 
generate a message with any return address they want.

Heck, for that matter, you can send a typewritten letter through the postal 
mail with someone else's name and return address.  The world is an unsafe 
place.

To get back to my original question, it would appear from your response that 
Pine does not have a configuration option for setting the username on the 
return address.  Thank you for that information.

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From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: 8 May 1995 14:08:41 -0700

[email-masked] (James Armstrong) writes:
>This is why there is a Reply-To field.

It is possible to compile Pine so that user's can use the 
customized-hdrs variable to customized the From header.
I don't think this would allow real forgery since other
headers, like Sender, will give clues about the "true"
sender.

Nancy (using a fake From header with nn right now!)

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From: [email-masked] (Barry Bouwsma)
Date: 8 May 1995 16:57:52 GMT

>>it would be convenient to set the return address at one 

    And a good field it is.  Unfortunately, it can't be counted on 100% of
the time to get your replies sent where you want them to go.  Take the
pine-info mailing list -- if I post to Usenet, like here, the Reply-To:
field I insert here is not passed through the gateway to the mail recipients.
Likewise the mail participants with Reply-To: headers fail to have them
seen by news.
    That's a minor problem, but perhaps more serious are those gateways
which fail to attach importance to this header, which includes a number of
X.400 to SMTP gateways.  I've been trying to figure out why I don't seem
to communicate with a particular victim on the other side of an X.400 mail
system, and I've just discovered that it's pretty common for replies to go
to the From: address in SMTP rather than the Reply-To: address when those
replies originate on an X.400 system.
    This would be a minor problem were I not to be hacking on machines that
don't exist in DNS with logins I don't have with any ISP.  Try to find
[email-masked] if you like.
    And of course, if someone chooses to reply to the From: header...

    I'm not advocating a configurable From: field for all, because the
Reply-To: field should work.  I just want to alert people to some cases
where broken software prevents it from working as intended.

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From: [email-masked] (Rick Troxel)
Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 07:52:31 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Mark
Swearingen) writes:

   It was certainly not my intent to encourage forgery.  However, for
   people who have more than one address at which they can receive
   e-mail, it would be convenient to set the return address at one
   location to the other address, so that all return mail came to one
   location.  Thus, there is a "legitimate" use for such a feature.

Wouldn't a Reply-To: header meet your needs?  If so, Pine's
customized-hdrs feature allows creation of such a header.

Regards,
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From: [email-masked] (Steve Patlan)
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:50:14 -0600

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Mark Swearingen)
wrote:

> >  [ If Pine provided this feature, forgery would run rampant ]
 
> ...It was certainly not my intent to encourage 
> [ SNIP! ]  

Well, Pine *does* allow you to define custom headers.  So, just add a
"Reply-To", and direct all replies back to your preferred address.  Any
mail program worth its disk space should honor "Reply-To" (or at least
give the user the option to use it.)

- Steve

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From: [email-masked] (Paul Robinson)
Date: 15 May 1995 20:28:30 GMT

Mark Swearingen ([email-masked]) wrote:
: [email-masked] (Trey Harris) writes:

: I understand your concern re: deceptive e-mail and the problems it presents you 
: as a system administrator.  It was certainly not my intent to encourage 
: forgery.  However, for people who have more than one address at which they can 
: receive e-mail, it would be convenient to set the return address at one 
: location to the other address, so that all return mail came to one location.  
: Thus, there is a "legitimate" use for such a feature.

: To get back to my original question, it would appear from your response that 
: Pine does not have a configuration option for setting the username on the 
: return address.  Thank you for that information.

You can, you just have to recompile the source to allow the From: and 
Sender: headers to change.    Default is to not allow those to be changed.

Then you have to add them to the set of optional headers.

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From: Tin-Mala <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 13:12:06 -0400 (EDT)

> command to add the customized header.

Our pine Setup-Config menu lacks the Options option.  Can I download
Options from somewhere?  And once I have, how do I install it? TIA.

P.S. Thanks to all who responded so promptly to my previous inquiry about 
the Bounce command.

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From: [email-masked] (Gene J. Raymond)
Date: 19 May 1995 21:29:25 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,

>Options from somewhere?  And once I have, how do I install it? TIA.

If you are using an older version of pine (e.g., 3.89), there is no Options
option.  However, most of the configurable items that you can do from the
Options option in, say, version 3.91, you can do by manually editing the
.pinerc file if I'm not mistaken.

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