Subject: Re: Leaving read messages in INBOX

From: [email-masked] (ben.rose)
Date: 28 Apr 1995 18:39:06 +0100

Barry Landy ([email-masked]) wrote:
: On 28 Apr 1995, Leng Kaing wrote:

: > Noam Ben Yochanan ([email-masked]) wrote:
: > 
: > : Hello all,
: > 
: > :   In elm it's possible to leave read messages in the incomming mail file,
: > : meaning I can leave a message there until I deal with it. Pine doesn't seem
: > : to support this option. It considers every read message as deleted ('D') when
: > : exiting. This really sucks, pardon the expression. I got around it by
: > : undeleting all the messages I want to keep, expunging all the ones I want to
: > : delete and then exiting. This is of course error prone (I made the error
: > : today :-( ) and inelegant.
: > 
: > 
: > :   Isn't there any way I can just tell the system to treat deleted/saved massges
: > : in a different maner than read messages? i.e. NEVER to have 'D' appear next
: > : to a message that was read but not deleted or saved? maybe an option in
: > : .pinerc I missed or misunderstud?
: > 
: > : Please reply by e-mail.
: > 
: > Mine only gets marked as Deleted if I save the file into a folder, or
: > delete it myself.  Otherwise, it's left in the INBOX with no letters in front 
: > (meaning it's been read). I'm using unix pine by the way.
: > 
: And there is even an option so that save will not delete.

: I agree with the last poster (Leng) that Pine does NOT mark read mail as
: Deleted - there is no option to set it up that way either.

Incorrect answer. Zero points

In the .pinerc file there is a flag that you can set to make it do either.
If you enter a folder name after read-message-folder=
it will save all read mail to this folder marking it deleted in the inbox.
Having this option set means the only mail in the inbox is the unread.

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From: [email-masked] (ben.rose)
Date: 1 May 1995 13:54:00 +0100

: Sorry - I award you ZERO points! That option sets things up so that on 
: exit Pine asks you if you wish to copy all read mail to the 
: "read-message-folder"; only if it does that will it mark the mail 
: deleted. It will then only expunge it if you say yes, unless you have yet 
: another option set. However, in none of the scenarios is it simply 
: marking read mail as deleted ***without taking a copy of it somewhere 
: else***, and even with all these opptions set, you still get the chance 
: to say NO.
: =======================================================================
: Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
: University of Cambridge Computing Service
: [email-masked]      0-1223-334713   +44-1223-334713

Sorry I was forgetting the confirmation bit. I have all confirmation
turned off in my .pinerc file. By setting a read-mail folder in .pinerc
all read mail is auto saved to read-mail and deleted from the inbox. If I
don't set it all read-mail stays in the inbox until deleted and or saved.

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 20:56:49 +0100

> Having this option set means the only mail in the inbox is the unread.

Sorry - I award you ZERO points! That option sets things up so that on 
exit Pine asks you if you wish to copy all read mail to the 
"read-message-folder"; only if it does that will it mark the mail 
deleted. It will then only expunge it if you say yes, unless you have yet 
another option set. However, in none of the scenarios is it simply 
marking read mail as deleted ***without taking a copy of it somewhere 
else***, and even with all these opptions set, you still get the chance 
to say NO.

=======================================================================
Barry Landy, Head of Systems and Development,
University of Cambridge Computing Service
[email-masked]      0-1223-334713   +44-1223-334713

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From: [email-masked] (Julian Boot)
Date: 2 May 1995 12:13:48 GMT

ben.rose ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Sorry I was forgetting the confirmation bit. I have all confirmation
: turned off in my .pinerc file. By setting a read-mail folder in .pinerc
: all read mail is auto saved to read-mail and deleted from the inbox. If I
: don't set it all read-mail stays in the inbox until deleted and or saved.

With 3.91 at home under Linux this work fine.  But on the Ultrix machine
at uni, even with read-messages= set to nothing, it still prompts you
to "Save read...in read-mail [Y/N]".  It is very annoying.  So some
versions seem to have different options compiled in.  I expect
the local sysops are trying to keep the /var/spool/mail partition
free of junk...

-Julian

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 08:41:47 -0700 (PDT)

On 2 May 1995, Julian Boot wrote:

> Date: 2 May 1995 12:13:48 GMT
> From: Julian Boot <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Leaving read messages in INBOX
> 

There are two system-wide configuration files that can change the behavior
here.  Default values are set in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf and unchangeable
settings are set in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed.  Check the value of 
read-message-folder in those files and in your ~/.pinerc file.

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:42:48 +0100

On 28 Apr 1995, Leng Kaing wrote:

> Noam Ben Yochanan ([email-masked]) wrote:
> 
> : Hello all,
> 
> :   In elm it's possible to leave read messages in the incomming mail file,
> : meaning I can leave a message there until I deal with it. Pine doesn't seem
> : to support this option. It considers every read message as deleted ('D') when
> : exiting. This really sucks, pardon the expression. I got around it by
> : undeleting all the messages I want to keep, expunging all the ones I want to
> : delete and then exiting. This is of course error prone (I made the error
> : today :-( ) and inelegant.
> 
> 
> :   Isn't there any way I can just tell the system to treat deleted/saved massges
> : in a different maner than read messages? i.e. NEVER to have 'D' appear next
> : to a message that was read but not deleted or saved? maybe an option in
> : .pinerc I missed or misunderstud?
> 
> : Please reply by e-mail.
> 
> Mine only gets marked as Deleted if I save the file into a folder, or
> delete it myself.  Otherwise, it's left in the INBOX with no letters in front 
> (meaning it's been read). I'm using unix pine by the way.
> 
And there is even an option so that save will not delete.

I agree with the last poster (Leng) that Pine does NOT mark read mail as
Deleted - there is no option to set it up that way either.

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From: Brad <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:33:09 +0100

Even if you've got read-messages="" ? 

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On 2 May 1995, Julian Boot wrote:

> to "Save read...in read-mail [Y/N]".