Subject: => MS-Mail gateway SMTP Non-documented error <=

From: [email-masked] (Daniel D'Ancona)
Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:23:14 GMT

I have an MS-Mail gateway for SMTP, version 3.0. Is it the latest version ?

An error occurs when establishing a connection with extended mail routers.

The external SMTP router says EHLO, my MS-gateway doesn't understand it and 
closes connection. At this point, any further communication becomes impossible.
This error isn't documented by MS.
The question is: What configuration must I have for my gateway to solve this 
problem ?

PLEASE REPLY TO:

			[email-masked]

Thanks in advance.

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From: [email-masked] (Two Sheds)
Date: 24 May 1995 18:41:27 GMT

Charles Stephens ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Carl S. Gutekunst ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : Daniel D'Ancona <[email-masked]> wrote:
: : >I have an MS-Mail gateway for SMTP, version 3.0. Is it the latest version ?

: : No, I believe there is one later version.

: : >The external SMTP router says EHLO, my MS-gateway doesn't understand it and 
: : >closes connection.

: : Yup.  If the very first command to the MS server isn't HELO, it drops the
: : connection, end of discussion.  Microsoft had no plans to fix this.

: Will Macrosloth win this one w/ every SMTP mail server?!?!?

: I don't think so.

Fixed in the latest version, regardless of what MSFT says over the phone.
Pick up V3.0.9 from ftp.microsoft.com. It doesn't do this any more. Also
has a new "-F" flag that makes the MS Mail appear to come from *the
sender* instead of the last re-mailer. Oooo! What a concept!

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From: [email-masked] (Carl S. Gutekunst)
Date: 25 May 1995 01:18:58 GMT

>Fixed in the latest version, regardless of what MSFT says over the phone.

Thanks for the corrections.

The funny thing is that I wasn't told this by the support people, but by the
very engineering folks who were responsible for maintaining the gateway.  This
was almost a year ago.  It would appear that someone turned up the heat in an
effort to placate customers who are getting tired waiting for MS Exchange.

<csg>

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From: [email-masked] (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 01:39:38 -0500

> effort to placate customers who are getting tired waiting for MS Exchange.

This is all well and good guys (Hi Carl!), but I have to wonder what this
has to do with half of the newsgroups to which this is being cross-posted. 
comp.mail.misc I can certainly see, and I can see arguments for some of the
MTA-related newsgroups like comp.mail.sendmail, but comp.mail.zmail?!? 
C'mon, this is a competing MUA!

I'm beginning to think I should push to have comp.mail.* reorganized into
comp.mail.mta.* and comp.mail.mua.*, so that we can separate out some of
these MUAs that can make use of most any MTA (and vice-versa), plus this
would also let us have comp.mail.mta.advocacy and a comp.mail.mua.advocacy
newsgroups, which I think would be more in line with the Usenet tradition.

Thoughts?

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From: [email-masked] (Carl S. Gutekunst)
Date: 24 May 1995 14:17:52 GMT

>I have an MS-Mail gateway for SMTP, version 3.0. Is it the latest version ?

No, I believe there is one later version.

>closes connection.

Yup.  If the very first command to the MS server isn't HELO, it drops the
connection, end of discussion.  Microsoft had no plans to fix this.

<csg>

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From: [email-masked] (Russell Nelson)
Date: 25 May 1995 02:14:13 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Carl S. Gutekunst) writes:

I have no plans to buy MS-Mail.

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From: [email-masked] (Charles Stephens )
Date: 24 May 1995 17:38:18 GMT

Carl S. Gutekunst ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Daniel D'Ancona <[email-masked]> wrote:
: >I have an MS-Mail gateway for SMTP, version 3.0. Is it the latest version ?

: No, I believe there is one later version.

: >The external SMTP router says EHLO, my MS-gateway doesn't understand it and 
: >closes connection.

: Yup.  If the very first command to the MS server isn't HELO, it drops the
: connection, end of discussion.  Microsoft had no plans to fix this.

Will Macrosloth win this one w/ every SMTP mail server?!?!?

I don't think so.

cfs
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From: Bill Wohler <[email-masked]>
Date: 27 May 1995 04:18:30 GMT

>connection, end of discussion.  Microsoft had no plans to fix this.

  And Microsoft wants to own the Internet?  Scary.  I'm looking
  gleefully forward to the day that their "Network" dies a
  well-deserved death.

  How can a company that spews out so much brain-damaged software be
  so successful?  Guess cause dopes like us buy it.

  Just say NO to Microsoft.
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From: [email-masked] (Steve Adams)
Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 17:07:42 GMT

>effort to placate customers who are getting tired waiting for MS Exchange.

The same thing was the case with the new -F option to fix the 'From' line.
When I talked to them about 2 years ago, the insisted that would NEVER fix
it since they considered it to be correct.  Guess enough people complained
and they finally broke down.

Also, the SMTP gateway is far more reliable if you use the latest
sendmail..

 -Steve
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