Subject: Re: ---->> Non- US-ASCII character sets

From: "Eric D. Friedman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 10:39:21 -0700

On 1 May 1995, Barry Bouwsma wrote:
> >  I'm running a vt100 terminal shell on a Unix system from a
> >Macintosh, for what it's worth. 
> 
>     This could be a problem.  What Mac program are you using?  How is
> that program configured -- does it do the translation from the mail's
> ISO 8859-1 character set to the Mac display set?  And what do you see
> when messages ``don't include accents''?  With NCSA Telnet for the Mac,
> look to see what is selected under Translation...

Thanks to Barry for pointing this out.  The problem was indeed with Zterm,
my modem program, which doesn't support anything better than vt100 as a 
terminal setting.  Once I switched to NCSA Telnet 2.6 and changed the
translation to ISO 8859-1, things have been working just fine.  I'd be 
grateful, however, if some other folks could confirm this for me.  

Here's a little test string of some accented characters:
éè§»ìëêèçæäóáñ÷reöãøúîí

If anyone receives these as a set of characters with accents, I'd be 
grateful for a note telling me so.  

Thanks again Barry and others,

Eric D. Friedman
Department of English and Comparative Literature
University of California, Irvine
[email-masked]	***Mime, BinHex, UUencode, 8-bit character sets OK***
FAX (714) 824-2916

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From: "Eric D. Friedman" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 21:20:17 -0700

Can anyone tell me how to configure pine so that it will display the 8 bit
characters used for French, German, and spanish diacritics (accents)? 
I've changed the character-set value in Pine's 3.91's setup menu to
ISO-8859-1 with no success.  From time to time, however, some messages do
make it through which include accents, presumably because of something the
sender did.  I'm running a vt100 terminal shell on a Unix system from a
Macintosh, for what it's worth. 

Extra bonus points to the person who can tell me how to type accents into 
Pine-unix from my Mac keyboard or from an X-term. 

I would be very grateful if could be cc'ed on any replies to this post. 
I'm at [email-masked]

Many thanks,
Eric

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From: [email-masked] (Barry Bouwsma)
Date: 1 May 1995 06:21:14 GMT

>characters used for French, German, and spanish diacritics (accents)? 

    Make sure you have an 8-bit path from your Pine session to your
display, and have a suitable (ISO 8859-1) font selected.  Generally the
first seems to be the default, while you may need to change something
to get the second to happen.  (In your case, you do have the 8-bit path.)

>sender did.

    Then that sender is probably making proper use of MIME to get the
messages to you intact.  Other messages probably are either using an
encoding which differs from yours, or are losing the 8th bit due to
not making use of MIME, depending on what you see.

>Pine-unix from my Mac keyboard or from an X-term. 

    Make sure you have an 8-bit input path to your Pine session, with
stty pass8  or whatever is needed.  From your Mac, choose a different
keyboard to correspond with the language you intend to use, or make use
of the Option (I think it is) key, which, when combined with, say, the
character ``u'', adds a diaeresis (umlaut) to the character typed next.
Or use Popchar.
    From your xterm, use the Compose key or the Meta key, whatever is
set up to work for you, to apply an accent to a character.  (For example,
Compose " followed by  u  should give the u-diaeresis, which could also
be created as Meta | .)  You may need to set some additional environment
variables depending on your setup.

>I would be very grateful if could be cc'ed on any replies to this post. 

    Ooops, this newsreader only permits e-mail or newsposting, not both...

-- 
 Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care
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From: [email-masked] (Barry Bouwsma)
Date: 4 May 1995 19:31:46 GMT

In a previous article, [email-masked] ("Eric D. Friedman") says:

>=E9=E8=A7=BB=EC=EB=EA=E8=E7=E6=E4=F3=E1=F1=F7re=F6=E3=F8=FA=EE=ED
>
>If anyone receives these as a set of characters with accents

    My non-MIME-aware newsreader lets me know these are accented characters.
If I mail myself this message from the mailer which does not pass 8-bit
characters and view it with an ISO 8859-1 xterm running Pine, I see...

, `                 ` " ^ `      " , , ~            " ~         ' ^ ,
e e section-sign >> i e e e c ae a o a n divide r e o a o-slash u i i
                            '                   ^^^ These two characters
did not appear as 8-bit accented characters.

    I hope that's what you were intending...
-- 
 Barry Bouwsma, will crash computers for chocolate and dental care
    Please direct mail to  <[email-masked]> (MIME-aware)
LOAD "SENDMAIL",8,1
                            driving a 300 baud Trabant on the Datenautobahn