Subject: Why can't I suppress headers? (second try)

From: Gerry Howser <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 18:16:27 -0500 (CDT)

OK, here we go again.  I am under a deadline to open up a PINE mail 
server to some executive types.  I have been madated that the only 
headers that will appear on ANY email message from anywhere are DATE, TO, 
FROM, and SUBJECT.  I have been informed that this is the standard for 
all email systems (????) and that I must comply.  I have a lynix system 
that is running PINE 3.89 that shows only the four headers mentioned.  Is 
this a configuration option that I can turn on and off?  Do I need to 
hack the living daylights out of PINE?  

If you can help, I would appreciate it.  I am running PINE 3.89 on a 
U6000/550 from UNISYS that is a System V Release 4 machine.  I am 
beginning to suspect that my job rides on this one.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------	Gerry Howser (POSTMASTER)	
		[email-masked]
		Manager of Systems, Programming, and Telecommunications
		Lincoln University
		Jefferson City, MO 65102-0029

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT)

Gerry,
I think the reason you haven't had much response to your inquiry is
that we're all confused by your request (at least I am).  Pine's normal
behavior is to display exactly and only the four headers you seem to want
displayed, and what you apparently *do* see displayed on your "Lynix"
(sic) system.  As David indicated, you really have to work to get Pine to
display *full* headers...

So what *exactly* are you seeing on the Unisys system?
Does the Full Headers toggle not work?  What happens when you use the H cmd?
Can you capture a screen to illustrate the problem?
Are you sure somebody didn't stick an "H" in your initial-keystroke-list?

I assume that the requirement is that only the above four headers be
displayed to Pine users --not that someone thinks they should never be
generated, lest they annoy someone who is not using Pine.  I also assume
that we are talking about the headers of the currently displayed message,
not any message headers that might have been included by the sender as
part of the message text...

-teg

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From: Gerry Howser <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 18:57:03 -0500 (CDT)

Ok, here we go again.  The headers that are giving problems are in the 
message that I have included below.  I am seeing with pine all the 
normal internet messages such as Received: from blah by someone (junk, 
junk, junk, junk...)
and things like Message-Id and so on.

These are normal on all email systems I have used on the internet such 
as RICE mail or Bitnote and so on.  I strongly suspect that PINE is not 
generating any of these but instead is unable to supress them in my case.

I am going to bcc this to another account to be sure that what is sent 
out is what I suspect.  Hope this helps as I am in a REAL bind.

PS.  I think it is a simple UNIX problem and not PINE per se.  I am a 
simple mind as far as UNIX is concerned, but either not smart enough or 
not stupid enough to see how to fix this.

By the way, the H toggle does suppress or show one or two headers but 
does not significantly change the situation.

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:12:44 -0700 (PDT)

Gerry,
The headers in question are indeed a normal part of all Internet mail
messages... the only issue is whether they get displayed when you view
the message.

So I claim I never see these headers in Pine unless:
 o I turn on Full Header mode, or
 o Someone sends me a message with such headers included.

You claim you *always* see them in Pine on Unisys, but that you *never*
see them in Pine on Linux.

So where do we go from here?  The Pine display code is identical for both
versions.

I wonder if it is possible that the mail delivery agent on the Unisys
machine is adding an errant newline to messages, so that some of the
headers are being treated as part of the message body.  That might also
explain why toggling H only showed a couple of more lines.

-teg

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From: Gerry Howser <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:21:04 -0500 (CDT)

I agree that the mailer on the Unisys may be including an errant line.  
There was an earlier problem like that with POP3 clients.  Any ideas?  I 
strongly suspect a blank line BEFORE the actual header (may be just a 
NEWLINE) is the problem.

The question is: Who do I hang? 

Unless my wits have deserted me completly, isn't the first blank line, or 
single newline character, the definition of the end of the header and 
beginning of the body?  If so, I am going to rattle some cages at UNISYS!