Subject: Re: Silly question

From: [email-masked] (Rachel Hill)
Date: 27 Apr 1995 02:26:38 GMT

[email-masked] (Isaac Hepworth) writes:

>Silly question, but the right place to put it I think :

>Why is pine called pine?

pine is the mailer that followed elm (and I think elm was just short for
ELectronic Mail), and pine originally stood for "Pine Is Nearly Elm."  Later,
as the features changed sufficiently, it came to stand for "Pine Is Not Elm."

I hate it that I know these things...

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From: [email-masked] (Madhu Muchalambkar)
Date: 26 Apr 1995 13:44:15 GMT

Isaac Hepworth ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Silly question, but the right place to put it I think :

: Why is pine called pine?

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I think they are following the convention of naming the MUA
after street names. elm, pine - what next? spruce, walnut,
chestnut......

Madhu

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From: [email-masked] (Isaac Hepworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:09:10 +100

Why is pine called pine?

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From: [email-masked] (Mark Pelletier)
Date: 26 Apr 1995 11:29:03 -0400

the documentation that comes with it says that it was written because
the users hated elm, and that the acrynym stands for

Pine
Is
Not
Elm

so now you know.  i, on the other hand *still* don't know how to make
pine recogize and handle turdperfect files.  help?
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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT)

> as the features changed sufficiently, it came to stand for "Pine Is Not Elm."

And a year or so back when we added news support, we observed that 
"Program for Internet News and Email" might be a better interpretation...  
But mostly it's the name of a nice tree family.
 
> I hate it that I know these things...

I know what you mean.

-teg

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:31:05 -0700 (PDT)

On 26 Apr 1995, Mark Pelletier wrote:

> the users hated elm, 

Well, no, neither we nor our documentation ever said that.  In fact the
users we were working with were very happy with their mailer... it's just
that we didn't want to keep running MVS to support it. We did say that the
currently-available Unix mailer options did not meet our ease-of-use 
requirements. 

> pine recogize and handle turdperfect files.  help?

If you mean automatic MIME labelling of wordperfect files, this is not 
yet supported.  In 3.92 there will be support for a .mimetypes file that 
can be used to map file extensions to MIME types when attaching files.

Still it should certainly be possible to send wordperfect files via Pine 
and save them on the destination computer.  They won't be labeled as 
wordperfect files, but the bits should arrive intact.  (They'll be 
labeled application/octet-stream).

-teg

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From: Aladdin Khamis <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:01:47 +0000 (GMT)

> Silly question, but the right place to put it I think :

Hi Isaac,
I got this from pine most frequent asked questions:

From: The Pine Development Team <[email-masked]>
Subject: What is Pine?

Pine(tm) --a Program for Internet News & Email-- is a tool for reading,
sending, and managing electronic messages.  It was designed specifically
with novice computer users in mind, but can be tailored to accommodate the
needs of power users as well.  Pine uses Internet message protocols
(e.g. RFC822, SMTP, MIME, IMAP, and NNTP) and runs on Unix, MS-DOS, and
MS Windows. 
  
The guiding principles for Pine's user-interface were:  careful limitation
of features, one-character mnemonic commands, always-present command
menus, immediate user feedback, and high tolerance for user mistakes.  It
is intended that Pine can be learned by exploration rather than reading
manuals.  It has the ability to perform full screen editing of messages,
include and extract attachments (such as Word or Excel files), and other
advanced message system features. 

Pine uses IMAP for accessing message folders on remote computers and MIME
for sending multimedia or other binary files as attachments to normal
messages. 

P.s. Can you help me out with finding a better speller for pine than the unix
     speller, I will really appreciate that.

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From: Kevin Yeung <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 20:21:49 +0800 (HKT)

> Pine(tm) --a Program for Internet News & Email-- is a tool for reading,

That's fun.  Versions before 3.91 can't handle news, if I'm not mistaken.

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)
Date: 27 Apr 1995 13:56:13 GMT

Mark Pelletier ([email-masked]) wrote:
    a few things and then ...

: so now you know.  i, on the other hand *still* don't know how to make
: pine recogize and handle turdperfect files.  help?

Try converting the WP file to ASCII text (do the conversion in wp, pine 
can't do it), save it with a different name (E.G. take filename report, 
convert it, save the converted version as report.a, then try to read 
report.a in.  Not sure if you have to convert to ascii standard or ascii 
stripped?  WP 6+ has a built in coversion feature, 4+ & 5+ use a separate 
program called 'convert'.