Subject: Leaving read messages in INBOX

From: [email-masked] (Noam Ben Yochanan)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:45:29 GMT

Hello all,

  In elm it's possible to leave read messages in the incomming mail file,
meaning I can leave a message there until I deal with it. Pine doesn't seem
to support this option. It considers every read message as deleted ('D') when
exiting. This really sucks, pardon the expression. I got around it by
undeleting all the messages I want to keep, expunging all the ones I want to
delete and then exiting. This is of course error prone (I made the error
today :-( ) and inelegant.
  Isn't there any way I can just tell the system to treat deleted/saved massges
in a different maner than read messages? i.e. NEVER to have 'D' appear next
to a message that was read but not deleted or saved? maybe an option in
.pinerc I missed or misunderstud?

Please reply by e-mail.

TIA,

Noam Ben Yochanan
Jerusalem College of Technology
[email-masked]

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:35:41 +0100 (BST)

Ummm... I think you're making a wrong assumption, or using Pine wrongly...

Just reading a message in Pine does NOT mark it with a "D" in the Message 
Index indicating it should be deleted.  A message only gets marked as "D" 
if you tell it to be using the D command, or save the message into 
another folder (which implies the original should be marked "D").

Are you using the D command to move between messages?  If so, try using N 
(Next) instead.

It may also be that your systems administrator (or yourself) has set the
"read-message-folder" item and "auto-move-read-msgs" feature in Pine's
Setup Configuration screen.  This automatically moves messages you have
read out of the INBOX into the nominated folder as you quit Pine.  Yes,
the messages are deleted from the INBOX, but only because they have been
copied elsewhere; you can get to them again by opening that folder.  This
is NOT the default behaviour, but must be explicitly selected either by
individuals or globally by the System Administrator, and is quite useful
for "encouraging" people to waste (sorry! *use*) their own disk storage
for all those "essential"  mail messages rather than the (usually
un-quota'd) mail delivery area. 

Mike Brudenell                                               <[email-masked]>
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From: [email-masked] (Leng Kaing)
Date: 28 Apr 1995 14:05:47 +1000

Noam Ben Yochanan ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Hello all,

:   In elm it's possible to leave read messages in the incomming mail file,
: meaning I can leave a message there until I deal with it. Pine doesn't seem
: to support this option. It considers every read message as deleted ('D') when
: exiting. This really sucks, pardon the expression. I got around it by
: undeleting all the messages I want to keep, expunging all the ones I want to
: delete and then exiting. This is of course error prone (I made the error
: today :-( ) and inelegant.

:   Isn't there any way I can just tell the system to treat deleted/saved massges
: in a different maner than read messages? i.e. NEVER to have 'D' appear next
: to a message that was read but not deleted or saved? maybe an option in
: .pinerc I missed or misunderstud?

: Please reply by e-mail.

Mine only gets marked as Deleted if I save the file into a folder, or
delete it myself.  Otherwise, it's left in the INBOX with no letters in front 
(meaning it's been read). I'm using unix pine by the way.

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Dept of IT & S, PO Box 14428 MMC, Melbourne 3000, Australia
Tel:(03)688-4368  Fax:(03)688-4800  Email:[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Jonathan and DearOldDad)
Date: 27 Apr 1995 06:31:48 GMT

That's not true ... from pine main menu type S setup C config and turn 
off the delete on read (or whatever it's called) option.   BTW that is 
not the default, either you or your server must have turned it on.

: Isn't there any way I can just tell the system to treat deleted/saved massges
: in a different maner than read messages? i.e. NEVER to have 'D' appear next
: to a message that was read but not deleted or saved? maybe an option in
: .pinerc I missed or misunderstud?
:                          ____________________  | "When all else fails -
:  __ _  ___  ___  __ __  | Noam Ben Yochanan  | |  read the instructions"
: |  | || _ || _ ||  |  | | [email-masked] | | - Murphie's book of laws
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No, I think the correct quote is "When all else fails - RTFM"

PS: There's also a way to limit your line length so they don't fall off 
screen or unneccesarily wrap.  BYE.